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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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EsmaCannonball · 29/09/2025 17:35

Here's Victoria Smith on JKR vs. Watson.

QuimReaper · 29/09/2025 17:37

I'm glad people are querying the 'bar one' thing, I don't think it's at all clear that that's what she said but I've seen it repeated all over the shop this week. It doesn't make a difference to the sentiment that was crystal clear, but it does make a difference whether it was stated or implied. I don't think we can call it either way.

Boudy · 29/09/2025 17:37

JKR is fantastic. I did send brief email to her/ agent some years ago ..just to say she had my support. I thought it important for her to know and I am sure many others have done the same.

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 29/09/2025 17:37

SerafinasGoose · 29/09/2025 17:03

Anyone can begin a DPhil.

Finishing one is another matter. They can be a very isolating, solitary experience. Universities also don't give these things away like sweets. They are hard, demanding work and require a certain level of intellectual capability.

We shall see.

To add to this, I've also known people who disliked theirs and slogged it out due to sheer bloody mindedness, but it made them have a complete rethink about what they wanted to do with their lives.

Google tells me EW began 2 years ago, and was initially doing a Masters then switched. We shall see what happens next!

FirstCuppa · 29/09/2025 17:37

I do feel the same sea-change in the public feeling. I think it was actually on here when I posted something on a thread and didn't immediately get hounded for it as I would have done a couple of years ago. I do sometimes wonder if all the ones on here have been arrested for real life crimes or if Russia has moved fake posters over to pretend to be Reform voters... They've vanished?! (I am not trying to summon them!).

Deadringer · 29/09/2025 17:37

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 17:23

It's always women who have been treated like dirt who are told they get their dignity from shutting up and never speaking.

Funnily enough, she did even say she'd probably never have "been this honest" had Watson not tried that hypocritical, manipulative "can't we love each other" stuff.

I've read JKR's post about 12 times now and I really can't see how it loses her dignity in any way at all. If dignity is endless silence in the face of what she's been through and continues to go through, then dignity can go fuck itself.

I take your point, but imo people like Emma Watson thrive on attention, i think to completely ignore her would actually be more upsetting/hurtful for her and its what i would do, but of course Rowling is the best judge of what she herself should do.

GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 17:39

It's always women who have been treated like dirt who are told they get their dignity from shutting up and never speaking.

Yes, funny that isn't it. Women must maintain a dignified silence at all times irrespective of the shit thrown at them. Yet again the misogyny shines through.

CornflakeGirlsClub · 29/09/2025 17:40

ZippyPearlPeer · 29/09/2025 17:30

Absolutely. I also think there is a difference between (graciously) not agreeing with her, versus the utter audacity that, particularly DR, showed when speaking for Harry Potter.

He released a statement when JKR first addressed the issue, including “To all the people who now feel that their experience of the books has been tarnished or diminished, I am deeply sorry for the pain these comments have caused you.” and then went on to suggest that Potter fans were welcome to still interpret the books (JKRs books!!) however they wished. The utter, dripping, misogyny, of a man, whose entire career is built on the creativity, wonder and joy that a woman has created, having the gall to presume to speak for her and her works.

“They continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created”

This to me is also a large part of the criticism from GC women. It is not so much that they owe her loyalty, more that they have absolutely no right to presume that the role they played somehow gives them the right to diminish the accomplishments or assume they have superior knowledge of the author than her own work.

To take the themes and messaging of JKR’s work and twist it against her was (to me) an act of unforgivable disloyalty.

DR is an unbearable little drip. I don’t know how JKR contains herself, really.

TimeForATerf · 29/09/2025 17:41

Wow, this is simply delicious, I almost squealed reading it.

Burn Watson, burn 🔥

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 17:42

Deadringer · 29/09/2025 17:37

I take your point, but imo people like Emma Watson thrive on attention, i think to completely ignore her would actually be more upsetting/hurtful for her and its what i would do, but of course Rowling is the best judge of what she herself should do.

Well then, JKR is a saint for giving Watson the attention she so loves. A sadist is a person who won't hit a masochist, remember.

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 17:42

Deadringer · 29/09/2025 17:37

I take your point, but imo people like Emma Watson thrive on attention, i think to completely ignore her would actually be more upsetting/hurtful for her and its what i would do, but of course Rowling is the best judge of what she herself should do.

No, I think women should always speak up and speak out. I'm glad JKR did.

EsmaCannonball · 29/09/2025 17:42

EsmaCannonball · 29/09/2025 17:35

Here's Victoria Smith on JKR vs. Watson.

Edited

Oh bugger, I've tried to link to this article but it just isn't working. If anyone is interested, Victoria Smith has written a piece on this for The Critic.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 17:45

ZippyPearlPeer · 29/09/2025 17:30

Absolutely. I also think there is a difference between (graciously) not agreeing with her, versus the utter audacity that, particularly DR, showed when speaking for Harry Potter.

He released a statement when JKR first addressed the issue, including “To all the people who now feel that their experience of the books has been tarnished or diminished, I am deeply sorry for the pain these comments have caused you.” and then went on to suggest that Potter fans were welcome to still interpret the books (JKRs books!!) however they wished. The utter, dripping, misogyny, of a man, whose entire career is built on the creativity, wonder and joy that a woman has created, having the gall to presume to speak for her and her works.

“They continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created”

This to me is also a large part of the criticism from GC women. It is not so much that they owe her loyalty, more that they have absolutely no right to presume that the role they played somehow gives them the right to diminish the accomplishments or assume they have superior knowledge of the author than her own work.

To take the themes and messaging of JKR’s work and twist it against her was (to me) an act of unforgivable disloyalty.

I couldn't articulate at the time quite what made me so furious about that but this was it. He shat on the woman whose creation made him famous and then took it upon himself to tell everyone what they could and couldn't do with her words and her work. As she said, appointed himself as spokesman for her world. It would have been bad enough if he were a talented actor but having to take it from the likes of him!

Teenytwo · 29/09/2025 17:45

I know it is to be expected as she is the writer of what I’m assuming are the biggest children’s books ever…. But what a well written response. I’ve not massively followed the full JK argument but from the bits I have read on here I’m very much team JK.

IkeaJesusChrist · 29/09/2025 17:47

The billionaire is sad.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 17:48

Teenytwo · 29/09/2025 17:45

I know it is to be expected as she is the writer of what I’m assuming are the biggest children’s books ever…. But what a well written response. I’ve not massively followed the full JK argument but from the bits I have read on here I’m very much team JK.

Men aren't women and sometimes that matters. That's pretty much the gist of it. If you think women deserve single sex sports, changing rooms, rape crisis centres, lesbian spaces and so on, welcome to terfhood. Males can use male or unisex spaces.

FirstCuppa · 29/09/2025 17:49

EsmaCannonball · 29/09/2025 17:42

Oh bugger, I've tried to link to this article but it just isn't working. If anyone is interested, Victoria Smith has written a piece on this for The Critic.

https://thecritic.co.uk/watsons-elementary-mistakes/

labtest57 · 29/09/2025 17:51

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 16:53

She might have good book learning, but she's very unaware of what's actually impacting the lives of ordinary girls and women

The product of a very expensive private education. Very much doubt she'd have done that well from a local comp.

WinterTrees · 29/09/2025 17:51

QuimReaper · 29/09/2025 17:37

I'm glad people are querying the 'bar one' thing, I don't think it's at all clear that that's what she said but I've seen it repeated all over the shop this week. It doesn't make a difference to the sentiment that was crystal clear, but it does make a difference whether it was stated or implied. I don't think we can call it either way.

The person who could have categorically called it was Emma Watson at the time, when it was widely reported.

If she didn't say it the floor was hers to issue a statement through a publicist or at least put out a fecking tweet saying 'I'm horrified that a casual aside has been interpreted in this way and I'd like to be clear that I did not say 'bar one', was not referring to JKR, and unreservedly apologise for the lack of clarity that led to this confusion.'

A generous interpretation is that she let a misunderstanding gather momentum because it worked in her favour. A more realistic one is that she behaved like a playground mean girl.

AnastasiaBeeverhausen · 29/09/2025 17:53

I just caught a video of the “all the witches” speech on X and I didn’t have the sound on. With no sound it’s even clearer that she mouths “bar one”. Followed by a VERY pleased with herself smirk.

Nasty.

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 17:53

labtest57 · 29/09/2025 17:51

The product of a very expensive private education. Very much doubt she'd have done that well from a local comp.

True. Small class sizes, private tuition and connections helped.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 17:55

If what she said wasn't a dig, why mouth it rather than say it? And why was that the moment where she decided to send a handwritten note saying nothing of value?

Why did she even involve another person to deliver the note when she has JKR's number?

She was happy for everyone including JKR to think it was an attack and that's an attack in itself.

JacknDiane · 29/09/2025 18:03

Good on JK. She is a class act.

HerNeighbourTotoro · 29/09/2025 18:03

While I find her response interesting, it is also interesting how she too, is very privileged and managed to gaslight so many people on this thread.

She has never experienced what many trans people have been experiencing, and is extremely privileged- like Emma she has her own bathroom that is also presumably single occupancy, as she denies right to dignity to many trans people out there.
It's like- is it really the race to the bottom who was poorer? And whoever is the poorest is the only person that can be right? Is she that envious Emma didnt have the same upbringing as her, does this make her so jaded so many years later still, even if she is rolling in cash now? JKR was never homeless herself and I cant imagine she often frequents changing rooms in high street shops, so why even bring this up in a crappy way to discredit someone else?

viques · 29/09/2025 18:03

Excellent response. Time to grow up Emma, you may be enjoying yourself as a student, but you are a fully grown up person who needs to start taking responsibility for the words that come out of your mouth, not the words that other people wrote for you to say, the words which have given you an amazing life , but the words that you have thought up in your own head and spoken out loud for us all to hear and which have been instrumental in damaging other peoples lives.

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