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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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ParmaVioletTea · 29/09/2025 18:03

Emma Watson is a crap actress. She has no vocal technique, her bodily expression is awful, and she can only play one role, basically.

She's not getting work, and realising the tide is turning. She wants a bit of publicity.

JKR's response is amazing: so humane & understanding. And sensible. But pulls no punches. Ms Watson should remember that she's now a grown-ass adult woman of 35, not a precocious 15 year old whom the world loves & indulges.

Notmyreality · 29/09/2025 18:06

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 16:53

She might have good book learning, but she's very unaware of what's actually impacting the lives of ordinary girls and women

Exactly as JKR says in her piece - she’s incredibly ignorant of life in general which in turn makes her vulnerable to being led down any number of paths.

TorroFerney · 29/09/2025 18:06

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 16:41

Exactly. Discounting the ordinary people, not cushioned by wealth or privilege, always expected to just suck up so called "progressive" policies.

This has paralells with some of the comments on the many Reform threads where anyone who says I don't like living near an immigration hotel as my daughter gets sexually harassed by groups of men is told they are being racist. By people whose daughters are never going to be walking to school, past a migrant hotel where their daughters are getting harassed.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 18:06

HerNeighbourTotoro · 29/09/2025 18:03

While I find her response interesting, it is also interesting how she too, is very privileged and managed to gaslight so many people on this thread.

She has never experienced what many trans people have been experiencing, and is extremely privileged- like Emma she has her own bathroom that is also presumably single occupancy, as she denies right to dignity to many trans people out there.
It's like- is it really the race to the bottom who was poorer? And whoever is the poorest is the only person that can be right? Is she that envious Emma didnt have the same upbringing as her, does this make her so jaded so many years later still, even if she is rolling in cash now? JKR was never homeless herself and I cant imagine she often frequents changing rooms in high street shops, so why even bring this up in a crappy way to discredit someone else?

She has never experienced what many trans people have been experiencing

You're sooooo close to getting it.

Wheeldrover · 29/09/2025 18:08

Incredible. I love her.
Watson will be squirming.

AnastasiaBeeverhausen · 29/09/2025 18:09

Oh yes she’s a terrible actress and always has been.

I agree with a PP that the actress who played Lavender would have been a much better choice.

Although I do think that British child actors are in general far inferior to American ones. Look at the standard of the children in Stranger Things for example. Not sure why but British child actors are pretty rubbish.

The lad in Adolescence was quite good, mind.

Mollyollydolly · 29/09/2025 18:10

I love Harry Potter.
Love Strike.
But all that is nothing to the admiration I have for JK Rowling as a woman. She is the one person in the whole wide world I have nothing but admiration and respect for. She is perfection in tone, pitch, argument, everything.
A one off.
That response is one of the best things she's ever written.

buffyajp · 29/09/2025 18:10

QuimReaper · 29/09/2025 17:37

I'm glad people are querying the 'bar one' thing, I don't think it's at all clear that that's what she said but I've seen it repeated all over the shop this week. It doesn't make a difference to the sentiment that was crystal clear, but it does make a difference whether it was stated or implied. I don't think we can call it either way.

I disagree. I’ve watched it several times and to me it is crystal clear that she mouths bar one.

AnastasiaBeeverhausen · 29/09/2025 18:13

buffyajp · 29/09/2025 18:10

I disagree. I’ve watched it several times and to me it is crystal clear that she mouths bar one.

Yep. It’s VERY clear.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 18:13

AnastasiaBeeverhausen · 29/09/2025 18:09

Oh yes she’s a terrible actress and always has been.

I agree with a PP that the actress who played Lavender would have been a much better choice.

Although I do think that British child actors are in general far inferior to American ones. Look at the standard of the children in Stranger Things for example. Not sure why but British child actors are pretty rubbish.

The lad in Adolescence was quite good, mind.

There are plenty of excellent young British actors. I saw a screen test of the kid who nearly made it to be HP before they decided on Radcliffe. He was amazing!!!! The director or whoever it was said they didn't think he could do anger. Do I need to remind anyone of Radcliffe's delivery of the "He was their friend!" line? Admittedly it was a shit line that didn't appear in the books but still, a good actor could have made it passable.

I also actually knew someone who auditioned for young Riddle and got through the first couple of rounds. He was very good.

viques · 29/09/2025 18:14

HerNeighbourTotoro · 29/09/2025 18:03

While I find her response interesting, it is also interesting how she too, is very privileged and managed to gaslight so many people on this thread.

She has never experienced what many trans people have been experiencing, and is extremely privileged- like Emma she has her own bathroom that is also presumably single occupancy, as she denies right to dignity to many trans people out there.
It's like- is it really the race to the bottom who was poorer? And whoever is the poorest is the only person that can be right? Is she that envious Emma didnt have the same upbringing as her, does this make her so jaded so many years later still, even if she is rolling in cash now? JKR was never homeless herself and I cant imagine she often frequents changing rooms in high street shops, so why even bring this up in a crappy way to discredit someone else?

But to be fair, how many trans identifying people do you know who have had to employ security people to protect their family from people threatening to rape, murder, hang or burn them alive? How many trans identifying people are putting their hands in their pockets to fund rape crisis centres and refuges?

JKR has earned her privilege through hard work, she hasn’t been handed it on a plate, nor has she stolen, or attempted to subvert, the privilege that other people have legal rights to.

buffyajp · 29/09/2025 18:17

HerNeighbourTotoro · 29/09/2025 18:03

While I find her response interesting, it is also interesting how she too, is very privileged and managed to gaslight so many people on this thread.

She has never experienced what many trans people have been experiencing, and is extremely privileged- like Emma she has her own bathroom that is also presumably single occupancy, as she denies right to dignity to many trans people out there.
It's like- is it really the race to the bottom who was poorer? And whoever is the poorest is the only person that can be right? Is she that envious Emma didnt have the same upbringing as her, does this make her so jaded so many years later still, even if she is rolling in cash now? JKR was never homeless herself and I cant imagine she often frequents changing rooms in high street shops, so why even bring this up in a crappy way to discredit someone else?

You quite clearly have no understanding of what gaslighting is so please don’t use it. I am quite capable of thinking for myself on this issue and I agree with every word JK says. All her money is hard earned and FACT she gives away so much of it to charity. Sorry if facts burst your bubble.

Handsomesoapdish · 29/09/2025 18:17

HerNeighbourTotoro · 29/09/2025 18:03

While I find her response interesting, it is also interesting how she too, is very privileged and managed to gaslight so many people on this thread.

She has never experienced what many trans people have been experiencing, and is extremely privileged- like Emma she has her own bathroom that is also presumably single occupancy, as she denies right to dignity to many trans people out there.
It's like- is it really the race to the bottom who was poorer? And whoever is the poorest is the only person that can be right? Is she that envious Emma didnt have the same upbringing as her, does this make her so jaded so many years later still, even if she is rolling in cash now? JKR was never homeless herself and I cant imagine she often frequents changing rooms in high street shops, so why even bring this up in a crappy way to discredit someone else?

Males have male toilets to use, females have female toilets to use. No one has no toilets to use. Males cannot become female, females cannot become males.

People who want to present as the opposite sex for whatever internal psychological reasons they have can do what they wish but like the rest of the human species they are still male or female.

People who wish to present as the opposite sex could of course campaign for a third space but they don’t do this because this has never been about toilets and instead is purely about validation.

EarthSight · 29/09/2025 18:20

Cheers for J K Rowling!

The13thFairy · 29/09/2025 18:21

nomas · 29/09/2025 16:04

Tbf, she doesn't say 'bar one'

Read her lips.

EarthSight · 29/09/2025 18:21

AnastasiaBeeverhausen · 29/09/2025 18:09

Oh yes she’s a terrible actress and always has been.

I agree with a PP that the actress who played Lavender would have been a much better choice.

Although I do think that British child actors are in general far inferior to American ones. Look at the standard of the children in Stranger Things for example. Not sure why but British child actors are pretty rubbish.

The lad in Adolescence was quite good, mind.

Because they seem to have been chosen from a small selection of plummy private schools. I think Daniel won the part, in part due to his father's connections.

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:21

viques · 29/09/2025 18:14

But to be fair, how many trans identifying people do you know who have had to employ security people to protect their family from people threatening to rape, murder, hang or burn them alive? How many trans identifying people are putting their hands in their pockets to fund rape crisis centres and refuges?

JKR has earned her privilege through hard work, she hasn’t been handed it on a plate, nor has she stolen, or attempted to subvert, the privilege that other people have legal rights to.

They are not trans identified people, they are trans people.

Helleofabore · 29/09/2025 18:22

HerNeighbourTotoro · 29/09/2025 18:03

While I find her response interesting, it is also interesting how she too, is very privileged and managed to gaslight so many people on this thread.

She has never experienced what many trans people have been experiencing, and is extremely privileged- like Emma she has her own bathroom that is also presumably single occupancy, as she denies right to dignity to many trans people out there.
It's like- is it really the race to the bottom who was poorer? And whoever is the poorest is the only person that can be right? Is she that envious Emma didnt have the same upbringing as her, does this make her so jaded so many years later still, even if she is rolling in cash now? JKR was never homeless herself and I cant imagine she often frequents changing rooms in high street shops, so why even bring this up in a crappy way to discredit someone else?

"like Emma she has her own bathroom that is also presumably single occupancy, as she denies right to dignity to many trans people out there."

How is JK Rowling denying the right of single occupancy 'bathrooms' to people with transgender identities in the UK? This makes little sense.

In the UK, most providers of publicly accessed toilets and changing rooms have an obligation to provide facilities for people based on the single protected characteristic of 'sex'. For instance, there is no 'right' for any male person to have access to a space away from any other male person. If a male person rejects the single sex facilities provided by an organisation, they can ask for a unisex alternative. However, that organisation has no obligation to provide a facility for a male person that rejects using the male single sex facility provided for their use. Of course, they may decide to.

It is not JK Rowling who is 'denying' anyone anything. What she is doing however, is providing support for the 'dignity' of female people to demand that their needs be retained. As per the existing 'right'.

I also consider that a woman who has listened to many other women, who has been a DV survivor herself and provides a service for women as she does with Beira's place probably has a fuckton more experience on the topic of what female people need by way of spaces.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 18:23

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:21

They are not trans identified people, they are trans people.

Hi Tan, we've been expecting you!

JK on Emma Watson
RubyMouse3 · 29/09/2025 18:23

1offnamechange · 29/09/2025 14:35

It's a good post and I'm glad she specified this bit:

"Im not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days."

Lots of posters on here and even more so on X seem to think EW, DR, RG etc are duty bound to at least be polite to JKR/not disagree with her in public, if not fully support her, just because she wrote the books that made them famous. It's one of the laziest and most illogical arguments on the GC "side" (which tends to pride itself on working on the basis of logic and reason rather than hurty feelings) so I hope her specifically disagreeing with it will now mean it's retired.

20 years post HP, they are entitled to have any opinions they want and don't "owe" loyalty to JKR. However it also means they have to have the courage of their convictions like adults, and equally, aren't owed forgiveness either.

Yes - there is another comment JKR makes where she's clearly frustrated that - 20 years on, as you say - EW has to talk about her (again) rather than talking to her. Emma only has JKR to get herself column inches, it's all she's done, and she uses that connection all the time.

MrsEmmelinePankhurst · 29/09/2025 18:25

Huge fan of JKR. What a writer. What a woman. 💪💐

gotmyknickersinatwist · 29/09/2025 18:28

OdeToTheNorthWestWind · 29/09/2025 15:09

Emma Watson proved (not for the first time) in the podcast last week that, despite holding a degree in English Literature, she is unable to deliver a coherent sentence without speaking some else's words!

JKR's comments could not be in starker contrast; clear, logical and going straight to the heart of the matter.

And she is now doing a post-grad in creative writing.
I do wonder if she has plans/hopes/delusions to become a writer.
As highlighted in The Critic piece linked in the other thread, this jarring sentence - 'Trans people are who they say they are and deserve to live their lives without being constantly questioned or told they aren’t who they say they are' whatever writing skills she has developed through her education to-date aren't showing themselves.

clarepetal · 29/09/2025 18:28

Bonden · 29/09/2025 14:05

Bloody love JK

Same.

KnottyAuty · 29/09/2025 18:28

HerNeighbourTotoro · 29/09/2025 18:03

While I find her response interesting, it is also interesting how she too, is very privileged and managed to gaslight so many people on this thread.

She has never experienced what many trans people have been experiencing, and is extremely privileged- like Emma she has her own bathroom that is also presumably single occupancy, as she denies right to dignity to many trans people out there.
It's like- is it really the race to the bottom who was poorer? And whoever is the poorest is the only person that can be right? Is she that envious Emma didnt have the same upbringing as her, does this make her so jaded so many years later still, even if she is rolling in cash now? JKR was never homeless herself and I cant imagine she often frequents changing rooms in high street shops, so why even bring this up in a crappy way to discredit someone else?

She has never experienced what many trans people have been experiencing

Can you explain what you’re referring to please?

Because I’m pretty sure there’s no trans person who has attracted such hate & vitriol as JKR…

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