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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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RominaDina · 30/09/2025 12:16

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 12:14

Yes, and I've not really seen critics of JKRs response fully accept just how badly Watson has behaved there.

People have been infantilising EW. They've not engaged with just what she's been saying about JK and the whole issue.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 12:16

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/09/2025 12:07

Arguing for men to be allowed into women’s sex based spaces and take women’s sporting places shouldn’t be supported, no.

Along with supporting ‘charities’ who support prescribing puberty blockers to confused children and young adults.

That's an opinion to hold but you must know some women hold others. And they do not believe those are men.
Again it's fine to disagree.. but I'm never going to become so blinkered that I think it's normal for someone to write a long message personally naming someone and directly attacking them and their upbringing. Suggesting they have personally individually added to abuse I was receiving. Sorry but it is not emotionally healthy. It's a rant. It's not reasonable. Why is it ok to stoop to this? I don't see it at all. I don't see why it's not ok to criticise this? It's not a good way to behave. I believe it to bring harm and exacerbate issues. Encouraging personal attacks. Encouraging judging entire people on a few views they hold. If anything it's THIS type of rhetoric that encourages death threats and the like.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:17

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 12:05

But you are adding to this by shutting down disagreement with sarcasm?!
I disagree with how Rowling handled this. I think if some people let go of the hero worship they would too.
You think we should just let women say and do whatever they like all the time without comment.. because FEMINISM!!!
Except Emma Watson or any woman who says anything that supports trans rights in any way obviously, as they are all "running their mouth"

Some views are objectively wrong

supporting the sterilisation of children confused by the sexist expectations of society is objectively wrong. Regardless of what people giving puberty blockers and cross sex hormones to children said about why they were doing it, the reality was real physical damage to those children’s bodies. Including sterility in some cases.

that is what Emma Watson supported both with money and with advocacy

not all views are equal

NoPrivateSpy · 30/09/2025 12:17

ThatOneStupidPheasant · 30/09/2025 10:51

Whatever her beliefs, JKR is insufferably self important, I so wish there was a less long winded, self congratulatory spokesperson, but here we are. We are all different.

Agreed. Anyone pretending this retort was critically important to the cause is deluding themselves. No one cared about the fairly innocuous podcast anyway. One of her usual short wisecracks would have been perfect here.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:19

RominaDina · 30/09/2025 12:13

@ThatCyanCat unfortunately, predictable. Especially that man on here, but also the women with all the internalised misogyny and ageism.
JK has the nerve to speak up and speak out, and, not only is she not male.... she's not even young!

I am so beyond exhausted with this utter shite.

JKR is a woman. She is also a person with exceptionally bigoted views who has thrown the whole weight of her celebrity and extraordinary wealth behind promoting that bigotry in ways that have had real world consequences.

It is absolutely legitimate and valid to criticise JKR for the harm she has done and continues to do. There is nothing misogynistic about criticising JKR.

Using ageist and misogynistic slurs against a woman is misogynistic, criticising her for her relentless hate speech, is not.

SirBasil · 30/09/2025 12:19

Tandora · 30/09/2025 11:49

Of course it's not a lie - it's simply reality.

A reality that you are unable to see because you are so blinded by your radicalised hatred for a minority group of people who have a naturally occurring cognitive difference. That's it.

Statements like this are beyond wild:

"Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out, higher up on the totem pole than ordinary males."

show. us. the. stats.

(btw, TRAs have kind of made that impossible now police and other organisations collect details of gender rather than sex. A rather spectacularly hilarious own-goal by the TRAs. )

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:20

Cor, the bananarama argument is getting a good exercising today innit?

🎵it’s not what she said it’s the way that she said it

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:21

SirBasil · 30/09/2025 12:19

show. us. the. stats.

(btw, TRAs have kind of made that impossible now police and other organisations collect details of gender rather than sex. A rather spectacularly hilarious own-goal by the TRAs. )

Fist of all, I made no statistical inferences in my claim whatsoever.

Second of all you clearly have zero understanding of how administrative data is collected, how it can be analysed and the use of statistical inference.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:22

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:19

I am so beyond exhausted with this utter shite.

JKR is a woman. She is also a person with exceptionally bigoted views who has thrown the whole weight of her celebrity and extraordinary wealth behind promoting that bigotry in ways that have had real world consequences.

It is absolutely legitimate and valid to criticise JKR for the harm she has done and continues to do. There is nothing misogynistic about criticising JKR.

Using ageist and misogynistic slurs against a woman is misogynistic, criticising her for her relentless hate speech, is not.

You could, yanno, give some examples of the hate speech?

actually making a cogent argument might help you to feel less exhausted…

nicepotoftea · 30/09/2025 12:22

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 30/09/2025 11:01

There are still lots of people, including clever, well-educated people, without trans relatives, who still believe, although survey evidence shows the numbers dropping over time. I think it would be fascinating to try to find out why, and whether they have anything in common.

It's particularly difficult to understand what EW and DR believe because they tend to speak in platitudes. I don't think either has addressed how you would turn their pronouncements into law or policy. It's all either too complicated, or some unidentified person knows better.

Daniel Radcliffe says

"transgender women are women," and "any statement to the contrary erases the identity and dignity of transgender people and goes against all advice given by professional health care associations who have far more expertise on this subject matter than either Jo or I."

Except concerns had started to be raised and reported at least a couple of years previously, in the kind of media that an educated person might see and read - Newsnight, The Atlantic - even the Guardian.

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/feb/23/child-transgender-service-governor-quits-chaos

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 12:23

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:17

Some views are objectively wrong

supporting the sterilisation of children confused by the sexist expectations of society is objectively wrong. Regardless of what people giving puberty blockers and cross sex hormones to children said about why they were doing it, the reality was real physical damage to those children’s bodies. Including sterility in some cases.

that is what Emma Watson supported both with money and with advocacy

not all views are equal

But I would argue that there are views JK Rowling holds that harm people. And TRAs would argue that her views are actively killing people.
This is an emotive and devisive topic already. In my view it's just not OK to take it to the level of personally attacking people directly using their names.
You can say not all views are equal but it's also true that not all expressions of views are equal.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:23

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:21

Fist of all, I made no statistical inferences in my claim whatsoever.

Second of all you clearly have zero understanding of how administrative data is collected, how it can be analysed and the use of statistical inference.

Have you considered making sense?

it might help people to follow what you’re getting at

SirBasil · 30/09/2025 12:24

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:21

Fist of all, I made no statistical inferences in my claim whatsoever.

Second of all you clearly have zero understanding of how administrative data is collected, how it can be analysed and the use of statistical inference.

nonsense. You constantly came on this thread to tell us that transwomen were being raped and murdered in numbers.

There are zero numbers a) because it doesn't happen and b) if it did you wouldn't be able to show us because the idiots in charge collect stats on gender.

You now absoutely NOTHING about me. You can't tell me that i don't know about how administrative data works. I do.

So again: where are these hordes of trans identified people being slaughtered like something at the somme (yes, i am using Hyperbole to make a point)

PastaAllaNorma · 30/09/2025 12:24

Tandora · 30/09/2025 11:57

The best way for a young working class black man in the USA to reduce his odds of death by violence is to identify as a transwoman. Black transwomen are murdered at much lower rates than other black men.

These threads and the claims made on them are just beyond wild.

Transwomen murders in USA 2013, 17 per 100,000
Black men's murders in 2023, 26.6 per 100,000 and disproportionately young.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 12:25

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:19

I am so beyond exhausted with this utter shite.

JKR is a woman. She is also a person with exceptionally bigoted views who has thrown the whole weight of her celebrity and extraordinary wealth behind promoting that bigotry in ways that have had real world consequences.

It is absolutely legitimate and valid to criticise JKR for the harm she has done and continues to do. There is nothing misogynistic about criticising JKR.

Using ageist and misogynistic slurs against a woman is misogynistic, criticising her for her relentless hate speech, is not.

'Extraordinarily bigoted' views like ...

Men can't become women.

Women's rights and dignity should be safeguarded.

Vulnerable women (in particular) need single sex spaces in certain instances.

Those views you mean? 🤔

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:25

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 12:23

But I would argue that there are views JK Rowling holds that harm people. And TRAs would argue that her views are actively killing people.
This is an emotive and devisive topic already. In my view it's just not OK to take it to the level of personally attacking people directly using their names.
You can say not all views are equal but it's also true that not all expressions of views are equal.

What views does JKR hold that harm people as much as sterilising them during childhood ?

Horsie · 30/09/2025 12:25

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 11:18

Audi! I should have known! 🤣

What's wrong with Audis?

Lalgarh · 30/09/2025 12:25

Sending a private message saying "sorry for what you're going through" while seeing yourself as the darling of the Aspiring rapists and murderers of same person in public.... Maybe I've not been looking hard enough but if she was An Ally did she ever condemn that behaviour? I mean I'm assuming she did

SirBasil · 30/09/2025 12:26

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 12:25

'Extraordinarily bigoted' views like ...

Men can't become women.

Women's rights and dignity should be safeguarded.

Vulnerable women (in particular) need single sex spaces in certain instances.

Those views you mean? 🤔

this is where i believe we failed Gen Z in their education. They do not understand standard definitions of words.

Including, but not restricted to: Man, Woman, violence...

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:26

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:22

You could, yanno, give some examples of the hate speech?

actually making a cogent argument might help you to feel less exhausted…

I've played the 'nothing I say is transphobic, no matter how outrageous and transphobic' game with gender critical feminists ad nauseum on mumsnet, I can assure you it's beyond exhausting.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 12:26

you clearly have zero understanding of how administrative data is collected

This is certainly a new and fun way of saying - 'I have zero data to back up the outrageous claim I just made'

teawamutu · 30/09/2025 12:28

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:26

I've played the 'nothing I say is transphobic, no matter how outrageous and transphobic' game with gender critical feminists ad nauseum on mumsnet, I can assure you it's beyond exhausting.

Edited

No examples, then.

As per.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:28

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:26

I've played the 'nothing I say is transphobic, no matter how outrageous and transphobic' game with gender critical feminists ad nauseum on mumsnet, I can assure you it's beyond exhausting.

Edited

So you’re now at the ‘throwing unsubstantiated slurs around’ stage

right you are

I mean you can see how that would lead readers to conclude that everything you say is bollocks, right?

worksineducation · 30/09/2025 12:29

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:26

I've played the 'nothing I say is transphobic, no matter how outrageous and transphobic' game with gender critical feminists ad nauseum on mumsnet, I can assure you it's beyond exhausting.

Edited

Denying reality and trying to bully other people into also denying reality must be extremely exhausting.

Maybe just accept reality? There are only two sexes in all mammals and one can't become the other.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 12:32

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 12:26

you clearly have zero understanding of how administrative data is collected

This is certainly a new and fun way of saying - 'I have zero data to back up the outrageous claim I just made'

My claim was that there are trans people who are raped and murdered for being trans. This is true. i will give you one example from my own research: the rape of a trans teenager. During the assault the perpetrator repeatedly insisted that they were doing this to prove their victim's true 'biological sex'. That trans teenager was targeted/ assaulted because they were trans - this was the motivation for the assault.

I made no statistical inference about the proportion of trans people who are murdered relative to other populations of people - this is a) not relevant to the point I was making, b) nor is it possible to carry out such analysis with existing data.

HTH.

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