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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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SionnachRuadh · 30/09/2025 11:29

Chersfrozenface · 30/09/2025 11:23

With EW it's quite legitimate to say that she's lived in a bubble of privilege since she was 10, and can't even conceptualise the lives of women who need single sex spaces.

She's lived in a bubble of privilege all her life. She was born to two English lawyers who lived in a very affluent suburb of Paris before divorcing and moving back to England. She went to a private school in Oxford that was founded in 1877.

Well in that case she is to acting what Taylor Lorenz is to journalism.

EsmaCannonball · 30/09/2025 11:31

If we are going with the witch analogy, it's ducking stool feminism, isn't it? Watson's feminism is submissive and kind and people-pleasing. She'll be drowned anyway, after having done nothing that actively helps women, but the villagers will be nice about her after they've killed her. JKR states her case, fights her corner and sticks up for women but the very act of arguing back is just more and more evidence that she is a witch. What is actually desired of women is mute acceptance as no argument will ever be kind or measured enough.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 11:43

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:20

So you believe JK should accept harm, but not defend herself?

I do not agree this was defending herself. I think it's just an attack on someone who hasn't directly attacked her

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/09/2025 11:46

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 11:43

I do not agree this was defending herself. I think it's just an attack on someone who hasn't directly attacked her

She responded to someone (someone who had previously chucked her under a bus) who was speaking about her on a public podcast.

The horror.

Tandora · 30/09/2025 11:49

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:19

You know that is a lie, and you know there is actually ZERO evidence of that (and no, Brianna Ghey was not murdered because he identified as a girl). So your lie is pitiful and extraordinary. Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out, higher up on the totem pole than ordinary males.

Of course it's not a lie - it's simply reality.

A reality that you are unable to see because you are so blinded by your radicalised hatred for a minority group of people who have a naturally occurring cognitive difference. That's it.

Statements like this are beyond wild:

"Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out, higher up on the totem pole than ordinary males."

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 11:52

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/09/2025 11:46

She responded to someone (someone who had previously chucked her under a bus) who was speaking about her on a public podcast.

The horror.

How exactly has she chucked her under a bus? By not supporting her? She is allowed to both have a differing opinion and express that. Disagreeing with someone is not a personal attack. EW has never written a "statement" directly about JK Rowling. Any comments she has made about JK Rowling have not been personal attacks on her character like this. They have been brief musings about her own conflicted feelings. Literally all anyone has that could be suggested to be a personal attack is her possibly saying "bar one" after the all the witches comment.. and that still doesn't directly name Jk.
So yes in my view this statement is a massive personal attack in comparison and reads as bitter and vitriolic and yeah a bit unhinged. If this was two people you knew on Facebook or something you'd think "wow that person's gone off the deep end there" even if you agreed with some of their views.

teawamutu · 30/09/2025 11:53

Tandora · 30/09/2025 11:49

Of course it's not a lie - it's simply reality.

A reality that you are unable to see because you are so blinded by your radicalised hatred for a minority group of people who have a naturally occurring cognitive difference. That's it.

Statements like this are beyond wild:

"Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out, higher up on the totem pole than ordinary males."

Give us the UK murder stats then. Should be easy because you clearly have them to hand. Proportional comparison to women (the real kind) useful but I expect someone else can do that if you're struggling with the maths.

PastaAllaNorma · 30/09/2025 11:54

Tandora · 30/09/2025 11:49

Of course it's not a lie - it's simply reality.

A reality that you are unable to see because you are so blinded by your radicalised hatred for a minority group of people who have a naturally occurring cognitive difference. That's it.

Statements like this are beyond wild:

"Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out, higher up on the totem pole than ordinary males."

Trans people at risk of rape and murder are central and south American people in prostitution. Not European trans people outside the sex trade

(All the other prostituted people are also at risk)

The best way for a young working class black man in the USA to reduce his odds of death by violence is to identify as a transwoman. Black transwomen are murdered at much lower rates than other black men.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 11:55

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/09/2025 11:46

She responded to someone (someone who had previously chucked her under a bus) who was speaking about her on a public podcast.

The horror.

Mummies must always be nice and seemly and never snap or be sharp, didn’t you know?

Tandora · 30/09/2025 11:57

PastaAllaNorma · 30/09/2025 11:54

Trans people at risk of rape and murder are central and south American people in prostitution. Not European trans people outside the sex trade

(All the other prostituted people are also at risk)

The best way for a young working class black man in the USA to reduce his odds of death by violence is to identify as a transwoman. Black transwomen are murdered at much lower rates than other black men.

The best way for a young working class black man in the USA to reduce his odds of death by violence is to identify as a transwoman. Black transwomen are murdered at much lower rates than other black men.

These threads and the claims made on them are just beyond wild.

RominaDina · 30/09/2025 11:57

EsmaCannonball · 30/09/2025 11:31

If we are going with the witch analogy, it's ducking stool feminism, isn't it? Watson's feminism is submissive and kind and people-pleasing. She'll be drowned anyway, after having done nothing that actively helps women, but the villagers will be nice about her after they've killed her. JKR states her case, fights her corner and sticks up for women but the very act of arguing back is just more and more evidence that she is a witch. What is actually desired of women is mute acceptance as no argument will ever be kind or measured enough.

Absolutely. Add in the dollop of ageism apparent on this thread. The language used against JK, she's old, bitter, hysterical, unreasonable - oh yes, even "a boomer"! Of course. Contrast with the frequent excusing of EW because she's younger.
Although she's 35, but excused as if she's 19.

RominaDina · 30/09/2025 11:57

EsmaCannonball · 30/09/2025 11:31

If we are going with the witch analogy, it's ducking stool feminism, isn't it? Watson's feminism is submissive and kind and people-pleasing. She'll be drowned anyway, after having done nothing that actively helps women, but the villagers will be nice about her after they've killed her. JKR states her case, fights her corner and sticks up for women but the very act of arguing back is just more and more evidence that she is a witch. What is actually desired of women is mute acceptance as no argument will ever be kind or measured enough.

Absolutely. Add in the dollop of ageism apparent on this thread. The language used against JK, she's old, bitter, hysterical, unreasonable - oh yes, even "a boomer"! Of course. Contrast with the frequent excusing of EW because she's younger.
Although she's 35, but excused as if she's 19.

RominaDina · 30/09/2025 11:58

Sorry, don't know why that posted twice!

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 11:59

Yeah I think people have Emma frozen in time as she was at the end of the HP franchise.

nicepotoftea · 30/09/2025 12:01

They have been brief musings about her own conflicted feelings.

Having received personal threats for a long time, and becoming increasingly concerned about threats to women's rights and use of 'gender affirming' medicine, JK Rowling wrote a deeply personal essay about her point of view in 2020 including explaining how her position was informed by her experience of domestic violence and sexual assault.

Watson responded on the same day with a tweet encouraging people to donate to a charity that had already been in the UK news because of its links to unethical treatment of the minors at the Tavistock clinic.

Watson's message was not ambiguous.

If this was two people you knew on Facebook or something you'd think "wow that person's gone off the deep end there"

Possibly, but only if you had just beamed down from another planet and had no idea what they were talking about.

StormyPotatoes · 30/09/2025 12:02

RominaDina · 30/09/2025 11:57

Absolutely. Add in the dollop of ageism apparent on this thread. The language used against JK, she's old, bitter, hysterical, unreasonable - oh yes, even "a boomer"! Of course. Contrast with the frequent excusing of EW because she's younger.
Although she's 35, but excused as if she's 19.

I do find the ‘she’s so young’ comments rather funny. I’m only two years older than EW and I’ve been called middle aged, has-been, barren etc. for agreeing with JKR (on twitter, mind - I wouldn’t expect to see that here!). Apparently I’m old enough to know better (and have been since my early 30s) but poor little [exceptionally intelligent] EW is just young and naive.

RominaDina · 30/09/2025 12:03

StormyPotatoes · 30/09/2025 12:02

I do find the ‘she’s so young’ comments rather funny. I’m only two years older than EW and I’ve been called middle aged, has-been, barren etc. for agreeing with JKR (on twitter, mind - I wouldn’t expect to see that here!). Apparently I’m old enough to know better (and have been since my early 30s) but poor little [exceptionally intelligent] EW is just young and naive.

Double standards.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 12:05

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 11:55

Mummies must always be nice and seemly and never snap or be sharp, didn’t you know?

But you are adding to this by shutting down disagreement with sarcasm?!
I disagree with how Rowling handled this. I think if some people let go of the hero worship they would too.
You think we should just let women say and do whatever they like all the time without comment.. because FEMINISM!!!
Except Emma Watson or any woman who says anything that supports trans rights in any way obviously, as they are all "running their mouth"

SirBasil · 30/09/2025 12:06

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:14

Whatever is a legally appropriate response at work if work allows it

no.

Work doesn'T get to not allow a legally appropriate responce. Or else there would be another ET for the eejits to show themselves up in.

You give a legally appropriate response which is: this is for women. You can't use it.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 30/09/2025 12:07

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 12:05

But you are adding to this by shutting down disagreement with sarcasm?!
I disagree with how Rowling handled this. I think if some people let go of the hero worship they would too.
You think we should just let women say and do whatever they like all the time without comment.. because FEMINISM!!!
Except Emma Watson or any woman who says anything that supports trans rights in any way obviously, as they are all "running their mouth"

Arguing for men to be allowed into women’s sex based spaces and take women’s sporting places shouldn’t be supported, no.

Along with supporting ‘charities’ who support prescribing puberty blockers to confused children and young adults.

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 12:08

StormyPotatoes · 30/09/2025 12:02

I do find the ‘she’s so young’ comments rather funny. I’m only two years older than EW and I’ve been called middle aged, has-been, barren etc. for agreeing with JKR (on twitter, mind - I wouldn’t expect to see that here!). Apparently I’m old enough to know better (and have been since my early 30s) but poor little [exceptionally intelligent] EW is just young and naive.

It's so funny how the people who don't know what a woman is know exactly where to direct the sexist, misogynistic abuse. On here too, they don't know what a woman is but they totally know that JKR, by finally deciding to speak, is being undignified and unbecoming and, effectively, unwomanly. Bonus points to the dude who came on to tell us that as it's two women involved in this dispute, it is obviously unfeminist of JKR to use her voice and we should ascribe to his type of feminism, which is when women shut the fuck up.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 12:11

nicepotoftea · 30/09/2025 12:01

They have been brief musings about her own conflicted feelings.

Having received personal threats for a long time, and becoming increasingly concerned about threats to women's rights and use of 'gender affirming' medicine, JK Rowling wrote a deeply personal essay about her point of view in 2020 including explaining how her position was informed by her experience of domestic violence and sexual assault.

Watson responded on the same day with a tweet encouraging people to donate to a charity that had already been in the UK news because of its links to unethical treatment of the minors at the Tavistock clinic.

Watson's message was not ambiguous.

If this was two people you knew on Facebook or something you'd think "wow that person's gone off the deep end there"

Possibly, but only if you had just beamed down from another planet and had no idea what they were talking about.

Yeah, I mean EW’s message was passive aggressive, sure. But not ambiguous

StormyPotatoes · 30/09/2025 12:11

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 12:05

But you are adding to this by shutting down disagreement with sarcasm?!
I disagree with how Rowling handled this. I think if some people let go of the hero worship they would too.
You think we should just let women say and do whatever they like all the time without comment.. because FEMINISM!!!
Except Emma Watson or any woman who says anything that supports trans rights in any way obviously, as they are all "running their mouth"

I think women should stick up for themselves more often rather than meekly accepting yet another stupid comment about them.

JKR has said nothing about EW or DR to date but I certainly agree the ridiculous ‘I can love her’ but also can’t be bothered to actually send a text checking in after all the threats EW knew JK was receiving is galling and fine to comment on.

RominaDina · 30/09/2025 12:13

@ThatCyanCat unfortunately, predictable. Especially that man on here, but also the women with all the internalised misogyny and ageism.
JK has the nerve to speak up and speak out, and, not only is she not male.... she's not even young!

DontCallMeLenYouLittleBollix · 30/09/2025 12:14

StormyPotatoes · 30/09/2025 12:11

I think women should stick up for themselves more often rather than meekly accepting yet another stupid comment about them.

JKR has said nothing about EW or DR to date but I certainly agree the ridiculous ‘I can love her’ but also can’t be bothered to actually send a text checking in after all the threats EW knew JK was receiving is galling and fine to comment on.

Yes, and I've not really seen critics of JKRs response fully accept just how badly Watson has behaved there.

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