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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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Cattywillow · 30/09/2025 06:50

I thought JKR’s statement was perfect. What’s interesting is that I’m seeing it all over FB where usually anything to do with JKR is flamed but a lot of people seem to be reading her actual words for once instead of just swallowing the ‘JKR wants all trans people genocided’ nonsense. I’ve seen a lot of people commenting with surprise that she makes a reasonable argument. I think what most people not closely following the debate have missed is the class/wealth/privilege element in JKR’s activism and are quite surprised to realise she’s not actually just a raving right wing billionaire. So I’m grateful to Emma for that.

WannabeEDIOfficer · 30/09/2025 06:55

I asked chatgpt for a timeline on what EW has actually said about JK and it keeps glitching.

Apart from the BAFTAs snide comment, what has she said about JK?

CoffeeCantata · 30/09/2025 07:05

EsmaCannonball · 29/09/2025 17:21

Oxbridge and the Ivy League have a weakness for accepting students with glamorous associations. In recent years the value of one of their degrees has depreciated and, when it comes to the arts and humanities, being able to pay is the most important factor in postgraduate study.

AAnd as for pps saying how bright EW is…er yes, she got straight As at A level, but frankly, that’s hardly Einstein level these days. My son (state comp) got 4 A stars and…I wouldn’t class him as the sharpest knife in the box!😄

She had 1to1 tuition all the time she was filming and no doubt elite teaching for the rest of the time. This doesn’t half help boost the grades!

I’m not to be catty or superior here - just trying to put things in perspective. EW, I’m sure, is an intelligent woman, but she’s only average for someone of her background and privileged education.

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 30/09/2025 07:06

@WannabeEDIOfficerStruggling to find it as well. Particularly the incitement of violence.

Araminta1003 · 30/09/2025 07:11

I am not sure it is that simple.

Having a normal childhood is also a privilege, which none of the HP actors had. Being rich and famous so early does come at a huge cost regarding one’s identity. I always wondered whether that is partly why they sympathised so strongly with others who have struggled with identity issues too.
And I also wonder whether Rowling knows that child actors is a problematic concept, especially ones signing away 10 years plus of their life and normality forever more, at an age when they weren’t really able to consent properly. Which in every case made her richer too, as well as them of course. It is there in the language of “mother” as well as the fictional creation.

exasperatedflatmate · 30/09/2025 07:16

@CoffeeCantata I would agree with that assessment of Watson, having similarly qualified children. I’m a meh about her qualifications.

I am also one of those who has never read of word of Rowing's fiction (just doesn’t appeal). But find her commentary just perfect.
go Jo!

InTheWellBeing · 30/09/2025 07:17

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 30/09/2025 07:06

@WannabeEDIOfficerStruggling to find it as well. Particularly the incitement of violence.

I usually stay out of celebrity gossip, but I can’t find what Emma or Dan have said about JK either.

Namechanged555 · 30/09/2025 07:18

TimeForATerf · 30/09/2025 06:28

What is it with the supermarket, I also saw one, fifties, balding, pearls, flowery dress, knee socks FFS, it seems to be the preferred place to get their kicks.

Out of curiosity, to the PPs, did the other supermarket AGPs have much shopping? Ours didn’t, just seemed to be wandering the aisles without a basket and product-less for the thrills.

My guy had a small trolley with some cans of baked beans.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 07:20

Araminta1003 · 30/09/2025 07:11

I am not sure it is that simple.

Having a normal childhood is also a privilege, which none of the HP actors had. Being rich and famous so early does come at a huge cost regarding one’s identity. I always wondered whether that is partly why they sympathised so strongly with others who have struggled with identity issues too.
And I also wonder whether Rowling knows that child actors is a problematic concept, especially ones signing away 10 years plus of their life and normality forever more, at an age when they weren’t really able to consent properly. Which in every case made her richer too, as well as them of course. It is there in the language of “mother” as well as the fictional creation.

I don't think the 'poor little millionaire child star' defense is going to cut a lot of mustard here for people.

And Emma's parents are responsible for Emma giving up ten years of her life and a 'normal childhood' to make the HP films. That decision has zero to do with JKR.

Namelessnelly · 30/09/2025 07:25

But I thought the TRAs were big on guilt by association. Therefore by EW not condemning those making the threats, by TRA logic, she’s as guilty as those making them. It’s the same as when TRAs claim GC women are as bad as Trump or Farage

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 30/09/2025 07:27

Spookyspaghetti · 29/09/2025 16:47

I think it’s incredibly sad for them both. While I support women’s only spaces, and agree that JK has mostly been vilified for standing up for less fortunate women, now that the court ruling has confirmed her views weren’t based on bigotry, I think she needs to try and more forward with her life again and not keep getting dragged into DM clickbait during interviews. Otherwise she will never heal or move forward from this.

She is a women's rights activist so she is fighting for a cause, not looking to heal and move on

CoffeeCantata · 30/09/2025 07:29

Of course it’s true that being a child actor (especially for that long, and at that level of global attention) is going to screw you up more than a little. I get that. They will have been fussed and fawned over, have done interviews and photo-shoots, been protected by chaperones and bouncers etc etc. it will have been hard (maybe impossible) for them to be regular teenagers with regular friends and I guess they’ll have spent more time with over-sophisticated adults and may have come to feel more comfortable with them than with their peers.

I do appreciate that. But oh boy, what self-obsessed, precious pains in the posterior they’ve mostly become. I don’t even know why any of them had to broadcast their views on gender issues in the first place, never mind attack the person who pretty much created them. They think they’re far more important, intelligent and influential than they are. Silly lot. They’re not children any more so the gloves are off and all power to JKR for her straight shooting.

eatfigs · 30/09/2025 07:31

I just think it's sad that what could have been a private disagreement between two former colleagues and friends has become this public spectacle. It seems unbecoming for this accumulation of emotional pain to be out in the spotlight for all to comment on. I don't think it helps anyone.

BlueLimes · 30/09/2025 07:31

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 02:42

Tbf she attended Brown on a pass/fail system to take the pressure of achieving high grades, we don't know what her degree grade was. She was obviously smart enough to get As for GCSE & A Level, but otoh US unis are known for taking 'legacy' students so it's not out of bounds that her celeb status may have played a role in her getting in.

They had personal tutors - much easier to get As with this support. She’s probably bright but unfortunately thinks she’s much more intelligent and deep thinking than she actually is.

Very entitled - the driving remarks are just silly and lack insight.

Thegreyhound · 30/09/2025 07:32

SteakBakesAndHotTakes · 30/09/2025 07:27

She is a women's rights activist so she is fighting for a cause, not looking to heal and move on

She keeps some weird company for a woman’s rights activist.

ParmaVioletTea · 30/09/2025 07:33

PinkPanther57 · 29/09/2025 19:33

How does someone not very bright get to Brown?

Brown is a private university and while it’s Ivy League, they are not above accepting celebrity students for the attraction. Just look at the way applications to St Andrews increased when William Windsor was there.

Namelessnelly · 30/09/2025 07:34

eatfigs · 30/09/2025 07:31

I just think it's sad that what could have been a private disagreement between two former colleagues and friends has become this public spectacle. It seems unbecoming for this accumulation of emotional pain to be out in the spotlight for all to comment on. I don't think it helps anyone.

Did you think this before JKR post? Or is it just because JK has responded?

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 07:34

Thegreyhound · 30/09/2025 07:32

She keeps some weird company for a woman’s rights activist.

Who are you talking about?

ParmaVioletTea · 30/09/2025 07:35

eatfigs · 30/09/2025 07:31

I just think it's sad that what could have been a private disagreement between two former colleagues and friends has become this public spectacle. It seems unbecoming for this accumulation of emotional pain to be out in the spotlight for all to comment on. I don't think it helps anyone.

Watson and Radcliffe saw fit to comment publicly about her ideas, when Ms Rowling was making public statements about women’s rights. They jumped on a bandwagon and made it personal. I don’t think Ms Rowling mentioned them - her concern is for women’s rights.

Namelessnelly · 30/09/2025 07:37

Thegreyhound · 30/09/2025 07:32

She keeps some weird company for a woman’s rights activist.

I know. You’d have thought EW would have looked more deeply into mermaids and Transactual before giving them support but hey ho

sashh · 30/09/2025 07:38

WatchingTheDetective · 29/09/2025 15:06

Or the school bully who approaches their victim as an adult and tries to talk as though they both did something wrong.

Not that I'd call JKR a victim in any way, but Emma Watson clearly wanted her to be one.

Also don't forget EW has represented herself as empowering women. She was a UN women goodwill ambassador. She claims to be a feminist, she was involved in, oh the irony, in TIMES UP to advocate for women who have suffered sexual harassment.

Catwalking · 30/09/2025 07:39

Sparks654 · 29/09/2025 21:21

What I find particularly sad in all this, is that JK and a handful of others have seemingly been left on their own to be the ones to take the bullets. Where are all the men standing up for their wives and daughters? Seriously, it's pretty depressing. She is an immensely courageous woman and having experienced being cancelled myself for standing up for women's rights, I can only begin to imagine how hard it has been for her and how her whole life now is about this. She could have been cashing cheques, shaking hands and smiling but she has decided to stand up for all women, at her own personal cost, and for that, I for one am eternally grateful.

Thanks for putting this into words, you’ve made me realise that’s what I feel about JKR. 👍

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 30/09/2025 07:40

@ParmaVioletTea What did they say?

scalt · 30/09/2025 07:41

JulesJules · 29/09/2025 21:25

Speeding in Oxford which is quite an achievement

She must have borrowed Harry's Firebolt. She never was confident on a broomstick.

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 07:42

Horsie · 30/09/2025 01:39

I'm confused...JK Rowling was indeed campaigning against tp being allowed into single-sex spaces, wasn't she? How does that turn on its head what she's actually campaigned for? That would mean she's actually campaigned for tp to be in single-sex spaces, wouldn't it? Which is obviously not correct.

You are confused?

In the UK there are two sex and two single sex spaces?

If one is of the female sex one may access the female sex space.

If one is of the male sex one may access the male space.

JKR has never campaigned for males to be prevented from entering male single sex spaces or females being excluded from WSSS.

Can you produce any evidence of JKR having campaigned for men/males to be prevented from MSSS or women/females from WSSS?

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