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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 07:43

eatfigs · 30/09/2025 07:31

I just think it's sad that what could have been a private disagreement between two former colleagues and friends has become this public spectacle. It seems unbecoming for this accumulation of emotional pain to be out in the spotlight for all to comment on. I don't think it helps anyone.

Of all JKR's current concerns, I think acting in a "becoming" way after a friend threw her under the bus during an ongoing years-long orgy of life-threatening shite from perverts is probably quite low on the list.

Edited: no, autocorrect, I didn't mean "organisation".

ThatCyanCat · 30/09/2025 07:49

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:48

Yep.

It's my view if you were being cynical that the young wiley EW outsmarted the old fox by drawing her into a spat that made her look irrational AND self serving as she put her own personal grievances ahead of 'the cause'.

Sure, JKR will always be forgiven & even lionised by the faithfull for pulling no punches but to the 'normies' its not optically palatable.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Oh mate, you're killing me. Have you stopped doing the random irrelevant Wiki link posts, then? I lost a bloody bet last time, thanks a lot. Are you still doing list posts of DOG WHISTLE rubbish? I should tell you, the vogue now seems to be that JKR should be acting like a lady, that is, dignified and becoming and all that, by never ever speaking. I know, it's coming from people who claim not to know what a lady is, but you guys jettisoned reason a long time ago.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 07:50

CoffeeCantata · 30/09/2025 07:05

AAnd as for pps saying how bright EW is…er yes, she got straight As at A level, but frankly, that’s hardly Einstein level these days. My son (state comp) got 4 A stars and…I wouldn’t class him as the sharpest knife in the box!😄

She had 1to1 tuition all the time she was filming and no doubt elite teaching for the rest of the time. This doesn’t half help boost the grades!

I’m not to be catty or superior here - just trying to put things in perspective. EW, I’m sure, is an intelligent woman, but she’s only average for someone of her background and privileged education.

Yes, 2 of those As were for English and Geography, one was for Art. As we know from Prince Harry, Art done well is hard, but it can be more easily massaged. Not saying this happened, but it's less of a predictor.

Plus she did get 8 A *s and 2 As for GCSE, but I guess same applies.

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 07:51

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 01:32

When you report to mumsnet they remove them. All you are left with is a note saying "admin have deleted the messages"
I get lovely inbox messages too and I'm not interested in turning off messaging.
Even if I still had those messages I wouldn't post them here.
It hasn't happened often. Looking at my messages now.. A couple of times last year. Twice 5 years ago when I commented on a thread regarding trans issues. From someone I did engage with on thread explaining my reasoning quite a lot. I learnt from that that despite what people say most don't want to hear your 'argument' they just want an outlet for anger. It's not worth your energy most of the time. It becomes a pile on on these threads. You get a couple of dissenting opinions which are then repeatedly quoted, so those people will just get loads of alerts with quite hostile responses. It's draining. So hardly anyone bothers any more like they did ten years ago on this site. Which is fine but don't be fooled into thinking this is a real cross section of real womens views any more. It IS an echo chamber.

Even if I still had those messages I wouldn't post them here.

IMO you should always post messages which aim to be abusive and not allow posters get away with hiding that abuse off thread. Any poster who did something like that should be prepared to explain why they decided to be abusive in public.

Which is fine but don't be fooled into thinking this is a real cross section of real womens views any more. It IS an echo chamber.

How is that cross section of real womens views going to translate in the real terms?
How sucessfully can a woman argue that her yes should over ride another womans no?

Do you actually think that the majority of women agree that a subsection of men should be allowed into womens single sex changing rooms?

Or that the majority of women would support NHS Fifes position (that a female employee must be in the women changing room while a male employee changes or watches her change) in their place of employment?

Or that the majority of women would support NHS Fifes staff position that the woman who is long term member of staff should have ended in prison for saying No?

Or that the majority of women would support NHS Fifes staff position that medical staff should ignore the obligation to have consent to such an extent if the woman asked for same sex care and the NHS employee fetches a man when they said No?

IMO Its is alwasy going to be a problem to take position that the above should be a right given to a male employee in the area that is about womens rights.

Irritatingalex · 30/09/2025 08:11

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:48

Yep.

It's my view if you were being cynical that the young wiley EW outsmarted the old fox by drawing her into a spat that made her look irrational AND self serving as she put her own personal grievances ahead of 'the cause'.

Sure, JKR will always be forgiven & even lionised by the faithfull for pulling no punches but to the 'normies' its not optically palatable.

I really don’t understand how you think JKR has been made to look "irrational". Please can you explain? What is irrational about exposing the hypocrisy of someone who slags you off in public but sympathises with you in private? How has it damaged what you call "the cause"?

KittyWilkinson · 30/09/2025 08:14

Poor fragrant Emma.
So clever, and yet so incapable of driving within the legal speed limit.

CoffeeCantata · 30/09/2025 08:16

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 07:50

Yes, 2 of those As were for English and Geography, one was for Art. As we know from Prince Harry, Art done well is hard, but it can be more easily massaged. Not saying this happened, but it's less of a predictor.

Plus she did get 8 A *s and 2 As for GCSE, but I guess same applies.

Edited

Honestly- only average for her demographic. She’s bright but nothing special.

RoniPepper · 30/09/2025 08:17

I love this woman💕

FirstNationsEnglish · 30/09/2025 08:21

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2025 14:23

I'm glad you posted this separately from the Emma Watson thread, OP.
It merits its own space.

I've never read a single word of JKR's books, none of them, not HP, nor the detective stuff. Not my thing at all.

So the deep admiration I feel for JKR is based solely on her statements and her actions in support of women, children, justice and the truth.

The dignity and power of this statement is an example of why I admire her so very much, without being a fan - or even a reader! - of her books.

THIS 💯☝️

JKR - what a class act! 🎉💐

Emma Watson is learning the lesson that her actions and words have consequences. It was painful to watch and hear her reaction.

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 08:23

2021x · 30/09/2025 02:39

I am going against the grain here, I was very disappointed by the response. As a reminder all of the HP were kids and young when they entered in to this, JKR was an adult with her own agency and fully formed ideas and support networks.

I feel that JKR has behaved rather judgementally here, and has made her critique about EW about her wealth rather than about her words. JKR is expecting EW to be empathetic to the needs of women that she might not associate with, but hasn't behaved in that way towards EW herself. JKR was the one who brought the HP kids into this discussion (unintentionally) and has forgotten what it is like to be young and caught up in a movement.

EW and JKR are very similar people, and I think it would hugely benefit the feminist discourse if JKR took a breath and empathised what it was like for EW to be constantly asked about something in relation to comments another person has made that she disagreed with. Also for JKR to reflect that if she was in EW position (wealthy, intellegent and had huge social cache) when she was in her 20s whether she would have behaved in the same way or even held the same beliefs. Also if she had behaved in the same way as EW how would she like to be treated when she knew better.

I feel that she could have responded in a more mature way by reaching out to EW personally and put a holding statement out. I think now EW has reached 35 and is starting to rethink things, it is brave of her to even admit publically any indication that she is seeing things differently. The backlash for her will be intense and coming from both directions.

It would be valuable for all of us if there was some type conversation, in person with a mediator so both sides could be heard fairly. They don't have to agree but can come away with an appreciation that they have both behaved immaturely at times, and rather than trying to tear strips off in other, focus the fight on the people trying to cause disruption.

Or EW at 35 could have chosen to take the very grown up option when asked about JKR and said she is a not going to make any public comment at all?

That at 35 if EW wants to mend a relationship the starting point is not a PR based interview with a third party?

Do you think that by 35 EW should have learned that speaking at someone is very different to speaking with someone?

MyKindHiker · 30/09/2025 08:27

Burrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 30/09/2025 08:28

Cor, I see the American shift came on line overnight

Irritatingalex · 30/09/2025 08:43

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 08:23

Or EW at 35 could have chosen to take the very grown up option when asked about JKR and said she is a not going to make any public comment at all?

That at 35 if EW wants to mend a relationship the starting point is not a PR based interview with a third party?

Do you think that by 35 EW should have learned that speaking at someone is very different to speaking with someone?

Agree. It was perfectly possible for EW to hold and express views different from JKR's without going out of her way to criticise JKR personally. She could have refused to comment; even better, she could easily have said something like "I value my friendship with JKR but I strongly disagree with her on this topic. I think twaw. However, I think everyone should be free to give their opinion and I strongly condemn any campaign of threats or abuse towards her."

But she chose not to say anything like that publicly, even though the note she wrote to JKR implies that that was what she thought privately. She displayed huge hypocrisy in publicly fanning the flames but privately indicating she regretted it. Understandable perhaps in a very young adult but moral cowardice in someone in their late 20s or 30s.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 08:45

Compare Emma's behaviour to Evana Lynch's for example. Or Tom Felton's.

Heck, even Rupert conducted himself with more class.

FKAT · 30/09/2025 08:46

I just want to pick up the comments like this which say that EW is constantly pestered by interviewers to give her JKR views.

empathised what it was like for EW to be constantly asked about something in relation to comments another person has made that she disagreed with.

I worked in film & TV publicity for 2 decades. This does not happen. Actors of a much lower paygrade than EW agree terms and acceptable subject matter contractually before being interviewed. If they are tripped up by an off the cuff question or on the red carpet then the PR ends the interview and moves the actor along. EW has made the choice to enter the conversation. She could be silent. As many similar (and more talented) interview subjects are on past relationships (see Jennifer Aniston for a good role model here).

ItsCoolForCats · 30/09/2025 08:50

Cattywillow · 30/09/2025 06:50

I thought JKR’s statement was perfect. What’s interesting is that I’m seeing it all over FB where usually anything to do with JKR is flamed but a lot of people seem to be reading her actual words for once instead of just swallowing the ‘JKR wants all trans people genocided’ nonsense. I’ve seen a lot of people commenting with surprise that she makes a reasonable argument. I think what most people not closely following the debate have missed is the class/wealth/privilege element in JKR’s activism and are quite surprised to realise she’s not actually just a raving right wing billionaire. So I’m grateful to Emma for that.

Edited

I have noticed this too. There have been a turning points recently, but this seems like another significant one. Many people accepted the narrative that JKR is a bitter old billionaire bigot who has an irrational hatred of trans people. But the amount of coverage this has gotten has opened people's eyes. Even the Guardian has reported on this fairly, and it was their most read story yesterday evening.

Of course there are still media outlets that are framing it dishonestly - that JK Rowling is ranting at EW over trans rights (as opposed to women's rights). But now that more people are aware of how false this narrative is and are pushing back on it (the comments section is a good indicator of this), media outlets that continue to push this view just make themselves look ridiculous. This is par for the course with Pink News, but is a bad look for mainstream media.

Curryingfavour · 30/09/2025 08:50

I’m so very impressed by this response .

WannabeEDIOfficer · 30/09/2025 08:51

I like JK and I am not an EW fan, but some of the attrack on here fels personal and uncomfortable. The comments about her education feel like snobbery.

I haven't had a clear outline of what she has done so wrong over and above every other celebrity out there, bar a few.

She gave money to trans charities - so did loads of celebs and famous people.

She delivered a scripted line at the BAFTAs which was making a dig at another celeb. This wasn't a great moment for her - but she joins a long list of celebs doing this stuff.

Of course she was going to have to respond to JK's comments. It would heve come up in every single media appearance. To avoid death threats and cancellations, she would have had to respond in the way she did.

So many bloody Hollywood actresses are UN ambassadors or feminists and we dont hold them to account in the same way.

Mysticaldeer · 30/09/2025 08:51

Same trolls. Different day.

AnSolas · 30/09/2025 08:52

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 04:44

Yes, she got in based on straight As at A Level and GCSE but otoh Ivy League is well-known for its legacy students, a celebrity student is little different. Ironic for the supposedly classless America.

Money buys access there too.
How many celbs bought their children places with cash?
( 15k for exam fraud /
( ¼ m for fake athletic results
( and a few months in jail etc )

And readers I am not suggesting that EW was (or even needed to be ) involved in that type of scheme

AzurePanda · 30/09/2025 08:54

@WannabeEDIOfficer she had to do what she did to avoid death threats and cancellations? This is absurd, there are thousands of high profile people who have wisely kept their counsel on issues such as Trans.

MyKindHiker · 30/09/2025 08:56

I really liked the response.

Unlike many on Mumsnet I don't hold very deeply held views on gender identity. Discussion for another day but I'm open to being educated by both sides.

But I don't really understand why Ratcliffe and Watson felt the need to comment so publicly against Rowling. It's perfectly normal and OK for different people to have different views, we don't all need to spend our lives listing the views of former colleagues we do and don't agree with. It especially feels weird when actors who've worked with Woody Allen or even signed petitions in favour of charges against Polanski being dropped (looking at you Emma Thompson) don't have to explain their associations with these deplorable creeps.

It feels that they played right into the hands of a media establishment intent on cancelling a successful and outspoken woman.

Rowling is absolutely bang on about everything she said.

Floisme · 30/09/2025 09:04

I'm sure this has been said already (sorry, long thread) but I think the most salient points are that:

  1. Emma Watson had JK's phone number but chose to send a note. I guess at least it wasn't a text.
  2. JKR is not Emma Watson's mum.
TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 09:09

WannabeEDIOfficer · 30/09/2025 08:51

I like JK and I am not an EW fan, but some of the attrack on here fels personal and uncomfortable. The comments about her education feel like snobbery.

I haven't had a clear outline of what she has done so wrong over and above every other celebrity out there, bar a few.

She gave money to trans charities - so did loads of celebs and famous people.

She delivered a scripted line at the BAFTAs which was making a dig at another celeb. This wasn't a great moment for her - but she joins a long list of celebs doing this stuff.

Of course she was going to have to respond to JK's comments. It would heve come up in every single media appearance. To avoid death threats and cancellations, she would have had to respond in the way she did.

So many bloody Hollywood actresses are UN ambassadors or feminists and we dont hold them to account in the same way.

I dont buy any of this.

She gave money to the charity pointedly and directly after JKR made her first comment on the topic (after the Forstater case). It was done very publically on social media. She waded right into that.

I think her error there was more about not doing due diligence in supporting a charity that there were already massive red flags about. Her haste in doing so seemed to be a direct FU to Rowling. But she and others are going to find that 'I didnt think' and 'everyone was doing it' are not going to cut it in the future.

No one forced her to make the witches comment (or the smirk afterwards). Neither did anyone force her to send the hypocritical note.

Her co stars (well most of them) managed to respond to the issue without denigrating Rowling or causing controversy.

No, by any object standards, she's conducted herself very poorly. And Rowling is absolutely right to call out the role her privilege played in all of that.

BeGladFish · 30/09/2025 09:18

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 07:50

Yes, 2 of those As were for English and Geography, one was for Art. As we know from Prince Harry, Art done well is hard, but it can be more easily massaged. Not saying this happened, but it's less of a predictor.

Plus she did get 8 A *s and 2 As for GCSE, but I guess same applies.

Edited

I'd like to note in defense of the class of 2006 that A was the top grade we could get in A level at the time (A* grades didn't come into A levels until a few years later, but were there for GCSE).

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