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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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2021x · 30/09/2025 04:46

BlueEyedBogWitch · 30/09/2025 04:41

EW is showing no signs of changing her mind on trans-ideology.

She implied in an interview that the spat with JKR was all JKR’s fault, that she (EW) had reached out several times to no avail, that she didn’t see why they could have different opinions and still be friends.

So still painting JKR as the big meanie, under the guise of offering an olive branch.

It would have pissed me off, too. An arse-kicking was long-overdue.

I can see why you would think that, but to me the fact that she is taking on the subject knowing what the backlash could be is still incredibly brave and could have been a chance for all of us to start talking to each other not at each other

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:48

2021x · 30/09/2025 04:37

Right JKR has built a platform on being compassionate towards women, and she has fallen short on this occasion. EW is still a woman who inclusive trans policies also affects.

Thats fine she isn’t perfect, but claiming that this response is “amazing” implies that people are out for vengeance and in-fighting rather than focusing on ensuring rights for women.

Which is what the TRAs want.

Yep.

It's my view if you were being cynical that the young wiley EW outsmarted the old fox by drawing her into a spat that made her look irrational AND self serving as she put her own personal grievances ahead of 'the cause'.

Sure, JKR will always be forgiven & even lionised by the faithfull for pulling no punches but to the 'normies' its not optically palatable.

hholiday · 30/09/2025 04:51

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 04:28

I agree that murder stats for trans people are exaggerated. It seems that the girl who murdered Brianna was obsessed with her in a way that was partly motivated by Brianna being trans, but that was only part of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/20/why-brianna-ghey-police-quickly-ruled-out-transphobia-as-motive

Edited

The girl who murdered Brianna Ghey was questioning her own gender identity, according to her evidence: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/08/brianna-ghey-trial-accused-denies-anti-transgender-views

Brianna Ghey murder trial: accused denies anti-transgender views

Accused tells court she found murder victim attractive but co-defendant ‘didn’t agree’ with trans or gay people

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/08/brianna-ghey-trial-accused-denies-anti-transgender-views

BlueEyedBogWitch · 30/09/2025 04:53

2021x · 30/09/2025 04:46

I can see why you would think that, but to me the fact that she is taking on the subject knowing what the backlash could be is still incredibly brave and could have been a chance for all of us to start talking to each other not at each other

Bravery might have included a bit of self-reflection. I didn’t notice any.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:57

Tandora · 29/09/2025 21:22

that would be as worthwhile and as valuable a use of my time as presenting Trump with facts about autism .

Edited

In other words you lied and can't back up your claim. As we all knew.

2021x · 30/09/2025 05:01

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:48

Yep.

It's my view if you were being cynical that the young wiley EW outsmarted the old fox by drawing her into a spat that made her look irrational AND self serving as she put her own personal grievances ahead of 'the cause'.

Sure, JKR will always be forgiven & even lionised by the faithfull for pulling no punches but to the 'normies' its not optically palatable.

Sure and I can be cynical. For example I noticed that EW is doing a DPhil in creative writing… :)

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 05:03

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:27

A mistake is misplacing your glasses or keys, or walking in the wrong door.

Deliberately egging people on to give JK rape threats, death threats, bomb threats is not a mere 'mistake'.

No. Emma Watson is craven & horrible, but she never 'deliberately egged on' rape & death threats. It's a slippery slope to say her comments egged that on.

Here's what she did say :

@EmmaWatson
Trans people are who they say they are and deserve to live their lives without being constantly questioned or told they aren’t who they say they are.

'I want my trans followers to know that I and so many other people around the world see you, respect you and love you for who you are.'

How is that 'deliberately egging on rape, bomb & death threats?' It's deeply immoral, but distorting what she said serves no purpose.

2021x · 30/09/2025 05:04

BlueEyedBogWitch · 30/09/2025 04:53

Bravery might have included a bit of self-reflection. I didn’t notice any.

Not yet… but a journey of 1000 miles and all that

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 05:08

WeeGeeBored · 29/09/2025 21:57

I am going to exercise my right to go against the grain and say that JKR’s statement is awful. So vitriolic and bitter. I admired her prior restraint even as I don’t share her views and can’t stand her books.

So only Mens Rights Activists are allowed to speak? Not a Domestic Violence survivor who has experience that backs up her feminist views that females have the right to our hard won protections? Not sure what there is to disagree with her views about, unless you are publicly admitting on this forum that women and girls don't deserve safety, privacy and dignity?

Btw @WeeGeeBored the saying is go against the "flow", ie go against what most of us are saying. Go against the grain suggests you agree with us but are going against your instincts and beliefs, to disagree with us.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 05:10

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:13

I agree there are some perverts out there
however there are non perverts who want to be a different gender. I’ve seen this in children decades ago now. One went on to have sex change as adult . Girl became boy.

You can't have a 'sex change' because you cannot change sex. You mean gender change.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 05:18

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:45

Well okay, I’ll analyse it if you like… The most shaming part is the note - this is told in such a way to suggest duplicity, performance, hypocrisy, betrayal, self-interest, immaturity and, worst of all, direct contribution and escalation of the abuse JKR was suffering. She says EW ‘enthusiastically’ participates in eroding women’s rights when we all know that EW considers herself a feminist. She laughs at her pitifully ‘cushioned’ life, lack of experience etc and emphasises how her success is not her own.

In other words, she said water is wet.

And?

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 05:22

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:53

How do you know what awareness EW had of JKR’s security situation when she made witches comment?

Oh stop playing stupid. EW knew full well JK was getting abuse and threats.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 05:25

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 23:06

I’m saying this is a public shaming. Absolutely JKR should call out whoever and whatever she wants to call out but this was an intellectual flattening and total exposure - just feels a bit much.

It was in fact, far less than EW deserved. JK was far too nice in her reply. EW got let off easy. she wasn't shamed enough. JK still had kid gloves on.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 05:27

Howseitgoin · 29/09/2025 23:24

Hmmm.

It’s quite telling that Emma Watson has literally never said a bad word about JKR, but Rowling perceives any message of support or defence of the trans community as a personal attack on her. It's such an own goal by JKR to be drawn into an uncharitable vicious attack that one wonders if EW was playing a bit of 5 D 'cry bully' chess here knowing the 'old crone' wouldn't able to resist going low. She walked straight into that one. The Master's Apprentice comes to mind…😂

And is JKR really suggesting that people without personal experience about an issue aren't capable of making valid points about it? Wouldn't that include those pontificating on the state of mental health of trans people?

Every accusation is a confession…

It’s quite telling that Emma Watson has literally never said a bad word about JKR

It's quite telling how LiTerAlLy ignorant you are. EW has said many vile, nasty and spiteful things about JK. Literally.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 05:30

Athreedoorwardrobe · 29/09/2025 23:36

I agree. It really comes across as a bitter rant. Just because Emma has not personally attacked JK. So why has she personally named Emma? Like I said it comes across as very "i put a roof over your head so show me respect" covert narcissism even. She states that Emma doesn't owe her agreement then basically writes an emotional essay on why she thinks she does actually. Bizarre.
I can't believe all the women here just acting like it's some kind of wonderful comeback simply because JK critiques the trans activism and they like that. I mean come on... this is not how that's going ti read to casual observers. She sounds unhinged. You must know deep down she does?

EW has personally attacked JK many times. Get your facts right.

And if I were getting RAPE threats, death threats and BOMB threats, and a turd like EW was egging it all on, I'd be bitter too. So would you. So cut the crap.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 05:32

Athreedoorwardrobe · 29/09/2025 23:45

It's difficult on mumsnet. There's an echo chamber where anyone with moderate views on this topic or, did forbid, actual trans activists, will get hounded out of conversations. And this was at it's peak years ago so most don't bother to even try now days. You'll see me get flamed for this comment probably now. I'll get inbox messages of abuse as well. I always have on the handful of occasions I've dared to question JK Rowling

I don't think calling a woman defending herself a "bitter rant" is 'moderate'. If you genuinely think you are moderate, god help you!

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 05:33

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 05:30

EW has personally attacked JK many times. Get your facts right.

And if I were getting RAPE threats, death threats and BOMB threats, and a turd like EW was egging it all on, I'd be bitter too. So would you. So cut the crap.

As I've said, EW is a bad person.

But where did she egg on rape, death and bomb threats?

And where has she personally attacked JK, aside from the horrible 'witches' comment?

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 05:34

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 05:27

It’s quite telling that Emma Watson has literally never said a bad word about JKR

It's quite telling how LiTerAlLy ignorant you are. EW has said many vile, nasty and spiteful things about JK. Literally.

What vile and nasty thing has she said, aside from the 'witches' comment, which I agree was vile?

CHEESEY13 · 30/09/2025 05:34

You go and bite the hand that feeds you and what do you expect? Poor little rich girl Emma - and just why aren't Danny Radcliffe and Rupert Grint (who initially collaborated with you in rubbishing JKR) rushing to your defence?

Every action has a consequence...........

Namelessnelly · 30/09/2025 05:34

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:04

The tendency to refer to the strangest or most extreme members or views of the opposing group as its most representative ones is called The Nut picking Fallacy…

So you agree all males should be kept out of female spaces. Awesome.

fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 05:48

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 02:29

I think you just don't want to see it that way.
But the entire existence of this statement reads as though she has a personal grievance against Emma Watson. Not just about her opinions.
She could have written "i disagree with EW and here's why.."
This was instead a personal attack.

What I want is to debate people with a brain

MooFroo · 30/09/2025 05:57

Wow! Perfectly perfect and elegant takedown

TimeForATerf · 30/09/2025 06:28

BlueLimes · 29/09/2025 21:45

Similar in sainsburys recently - tbf wasn’t trying to get attention. But 60s, very tall, with flowery top and skirt of a style from about 40 years ago - the choice of clothing is odd..

What is it with the supermarket, I also saw one, fifties, balding, pearls, flowery dress, knee socks FFS, it seems to be the preferred place to get their kicks.

Out of curiosity, to the PPs, did the other supermarket AGPs have much shopping? Ours didn’t, just seemed to be wandering the aisles without a basket and product-less for the thrills.

TheBeaTgoeson1 · 30/09/2025 06:45

Can anyone source where EW deliberately egged people on to give rape threats, bomb threats and death threats?

urbanbuddha · 30/09/2025 06:47

Can anyone source where EW deliberately egged people on to give rape threats, bomb threats and death threats?

No.
Because it didn’t happen.

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