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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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2021x · 30/09/2025 03:56

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 03:45

Emma & Daniel made the comments at 30, not in their 20s, and Emma is 35 now and still sticks by them.

My point is that they made those opinions when they were much younger than JKR was when she chose to make hers. They didn't have as much 'life data' and therefore we can't judge them by the same stick, and they were set up as generational adversaires in the discourse at the beginning.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:00

2021x · 30/09/2025 03:25

What we are discussing isn't about the trans "rights" its about how to respond to someone when they are changing their mind.

JKR can feel hurt, but she could also have reasoned that they are young and observe being targeted and they will grow out of it. I have no doubt she had better things to deal with than what three people were saying. She is not responsible for EW wealth and success. EW , her agent etc.. are responsible for that. The reason that all the actors in the HP universe were asked about their opinions on this, is ONLY because of JKR decision to enter into the discussion.

Being young, and socially influential they felt like they had to take a side. None of the adult actors (Ralph Fiennes etc.. ) responses have been highlighted as much as the three main actors and I think alot of predatory people took advantage of their immaturity.

I just think we should slow down our judgement of EW and critically observe the interactions that JKR has chosen to take. We can't teach people that they are cast out from society for some ill informed shit they thought in their 20s. We all do dumb shit in our 20s and there has to be a path back to redemption.

What we are discussing isn't about the trans "rights" its about how to respond to someone when they are changing their mind.

My reply isn't about trans rights rather how rhetorical tactics are used to avoid responsibility regarding inflammatory language. BTW EW's opinions of late do not reflect a change of mind rather an appeal for friendships to being maintained regardless of differences.

You seem to also be suggesting that older people always know better which given how biases work depends on the individual & older people particularly of the conservative persuasion can be resistant to being open to new ideas. That's not to say young people aren't sometimes misguided or don't change their minds as they age of course they do but that's not necessarily all of them as proven by many people holding uniform political views their whole lives which makes sense given politics is often down stream from personality.

I suspect there's a gulf between the older generations & younger ones when it comes to social change (see feminism) as there has always been & that's why younger people probably tend be more accepting of trans rights as they are subject to different societal experiences & pressures. Younger people seem more at ease perhaps because we their mothers who benefited from the establishment of equality taught our children the necessity of it. And now we deride them for it? Yes younger people tend to be more idealist often because they haven't personally suffered at the hand of injustice but by the same token the aren't living in the same unjust world as their ancestors did. Society has moved on in terms of providing justice & managing competing rights that they rightly have confidence in.

It's kind of a repudiation of our evolution towards our capabilities of sophistication in managing competing rights to go backwards to a time where equality was a threat.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:04

WandaWomblesaurusWonka · 30/09/2025 03:25

Bailey: “Trans women are women, full stop. They must be allowed into every female space.”

Survivors “no”

Motte: “Don’t be mean to trans people, not all (men).”

The tendency to refer to the strangest or most extreme members or views of the opposing group as its most representative ones is called The Nut picking Fallacy…

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:12

HerNeighbourTotoro · 29/09/2025 18:03

While I find her response interesting, it is also interesting how she too, is very privileged and managed to gaslight so many people on this thread.

She has never experienced what many trans people have been experiencing, and is extremely privileged- like Emma she has her own bathroom that is also presumably single occupancy, as she denies right to dignity to many trans people out there.
It's like- is it really the race to the bottom who was poorer? And whoever is the poorest is the only person that can be right? Is she that envious Emma didnt have the same upbringing as her, does this make her so jaded so many years later still, even if she is rolling in cash now? JKR was never homeless herself and I cant imagine she often frequents changing rooms in high street shops, so why even bring this up in a crappy way to discredit someone else?

'trans people' are male or female, @HerNeighbourTotoro . No one is denying a male or female a space. In fact, they themselves are by not campaigning for their own safe spaces.

JK has been the victim of Domestic Violence, and IIRC, was in a DV shelter herself, so knows why females need female only shelters.

There is nothing privileged about being beaten up by your male partner and needing a shelter.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:14

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:21

They are not trans identified people, they are trans people.

They identify as transgender, so yes they are.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:19

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:32

Extraordinary that you believe this. You know that there are many many trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans.

You know that is a lie, and you know there is actually ZERO evidence of that (and no, Brianna Ghey was not murdered because he identified as a girl). So your lie is pitiful and extraordinary. Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out, higher up on the totem pole than ordinary males.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:20

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 18:38

So you believe all truths should be spoken no matter the harm caused?

So you believe JK should accept harm, but not defend herself?

BlueEyedBogWitch · 30/09/2025 04:22

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:04

The tendency to refer to the strangest or most extreme members or views of the opposing group as its most representative ones is called The Nut picking Fallacy…

And there are so many nuts to choose from…

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:22

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 18:44

I think she should respond but I’m not sure she needed to humiliate her to this degree.. I feel she is behaving in the same way that Emma behaved towards her. If you can’t see how this would harm Emma, I can’t help you.

So JK is the only one who should shut up and not defend herself? Wow. If you were JK, after being silent for nigh on 10 FUCKING YEARS, I think you would say something, and you are lying if you say you wouldn't. JK said only what was needed, and what was long, long, long overdue.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:23

BlueEyedBogWitch · 30/09/2025 04:22

And there are so many nuts to choose from…

Yup, but it works both ways. Ever heard of Horse Shoe theory?

2021x · 30/09/2025 04:25

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:00

What we are discussing isn't about the trans "rights" its about how to respond to someone when they are changing their mind.

My reply isn't about trans rights rather how rhetorical tactics are used to avoid responsibility regarding inflammatory language. BTW EW's opinions of late do not reflect a change of mind rather an appeal for friendships to being maintained regardless of differences.

You seem to also be suggesting that older people always know better which given how biases work depends on the individual & older people particularly of the conservative persuasion can be resistant to being open to new ideas. That's not to say young people aren't sometimes misguided or don't change their minds as they age of course they do but that's not necessarily all of them as proven by many people holding uniform political views their whole lives which makes sense given politics is often down stream from personality.

I suspect there's a gulf between the older generations & younger ones when it comes to social change (see feminism) as there has always been & that's why younger people probably tend be more accepting of trans rights as they are subject to different societal experiences & pressures. Younger people seem more at ease perhaps because we their mothers who benefited from the establishment of equality taught our children the necessity of it. And now we deride them for it? Yes younger people tend to be more idealist often because they haven't personally suffered at the hand of injustice but by the same token the aren't living in the same unjust world as their ancestors did. Society has moved on in terms of providing justice & managing competing rights that they rightly have confidence in.

It's kind of a repudiation of our evolution towards our capabilities of sophistication in managing competing rights to go backwards to a time where equality was a threat.

I believe older people have more understanding of how you can swept up in something when you are younger and then change your mind.

My feeling is that whereas EW is trying to build a bridge, JKR is behaving in an immature way by her response focusing on her wealth rather than on what experiences EW, an intelligent woman, had to have had to believe that males should be permitte in female spaces. I think bringing up her wealth was just a way to cheaply devalue her opinion, and she has missed an opportunity to understand what a lot of Gen Z have actually been taught.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 30/09/2025 04:26

I’m veering to the right because I want to keep dicks out of women’s safe spaces. OK.

And you can read ‘dicks’ any way you like. Either (or both) works.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:27

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 19:05

So all the mistakes we make in life, all the hypocrisies, should be called out in front of the whole world, then all will be righted.

A mistake is misplacing your glasses or keys, or walking in the wrong door.

Deliberately egging people on to give JK rape threats, death threats, bomb threats is not a mere 'mistake'.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 04:28

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:19

You know that is a lie, and you know there is actually ZERO evidence of that (and no, Brianna Ghey was not murdered because he identified as a girl). So your lie is pitiful and extraordinary. Especially since trans is the most powerful, most privileged and most protected sacred caste out, higher up on the totem pole than ordinary males.

I agree that murder stats for trans people are exaggerated. It seems that the girl who murdered Brianna was obsessed with her in a way that was partly motivated by Brianna being trans, but that was only part of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/dec/20/why-brianna-ghey-police-quickly-ruled-out-transphobia-as-motive

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:30

2021x · 30/09/2025 04:25

I believe older people have more understanding of how you can swept up in something when you are younger and then change your mind.

My feeling is that whereas EW is trying to build a bridge, JKR is behaving in an immature way by her response focusing on her wealth rather than on what experiences EW, an intelligent woman, had to have had to believe that males should be permitte in female spaces. I think bringing up her wealth was just a way to cheaply devalue her opinion, and she has missed an opportunity to understand what a lot of Gen Z have actually been taught.

"I believe older people have more understanding of how you can swept up in something when you are younger and then change your mind."

Look sure, I hear you. But that's not necessarily applicable to human rights. I mean it wasn't so long ago more older people were dead set against feminism & civil rights for black people. Heck, the MAGA base is dominated by older cultists.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:35

PinkPanther57 · 29/09/2025 19:33

How does someone not very bright get to Brown?

Book intelligent is not general intelligent.

Her name would have got her in.

urbanbuddha · 30/09/2025 04:36

I thought it was a really mean-spirited response which demeaned JK Rowling.

2021x · 30/09/2025 04:37

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 04:30

"I believe older people have more understanding of how you can swept up in something when you are younger and then change your mind."

Look sure, I hear you. But that's not necessarily applicable to human rights. I mean it wasn't so long ago more older people were dead set against feminism & civil rights for black people. Heck, the MAGA base is dominated by older cultists.

Right JKR has built a platform on being compassionate towards women, and she has fallen short on this occasion. EW is still a woman who inclusive trans policies also affects.

Thats fine she isn’t perfect, but claiming that this response is “amazing” implies that people are out for vengeance and in-fighting rather than focusing on ensuring rights for women.

Which is what the TRAs want.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:38

JHound · 29/09/2025 19:56

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

What’s with so many privileged people playing the “man/woman of the people” class card?

There is no evidence that Emma’s views would be different if she was poor. Does Joanna really think there are no working class people who disagree with her stance on trans issues? It’s such a lazy argument and one that is everywhere right now. Class warriors.

If Emma were poor she would know what the issues were, she'd be using mixed sex hospitals, shelters and public toilets. She isn't, so doesn't.

her stance on trans issues

You mean her stance on womens rights?

Thegreyhound · 30/09/2025 04:39

I think the response from JK Rowling is spiteful and small.
it saddens me that my children have loved Harry Potter so much and are so dismayed by its author. Like me with Roald Dahl and his antisemitism. Fortunately we can separate the artist from the art.

BlueEyedBogWitch · 30/09/2025 04:41

EW is showing no signs of changing her mind on trans-ideology.

She implied in an interview that the spat with JKR was all JKR’s fault, that she (EW) had reached out several times to no avail, that she didn’t see why they could have different opinions and still be friends.

So still painting JKR as the big meanie, under the guise of offering an olive branch.

It would have pissed me off, too. An arse-kicking was long-overdue.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 04:42

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:38

If Emma were poor she would know what the issues were, she'd be using mixed sex hospitals, shelters and public toilets. She isn't, so doesn't.

her stance on trans issues

You mean her stance on womens rights?

Rich women still might have cause to use a public toilet or changing room. I agree wealth is a big shield though.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 04:42

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:38

If Emma were poor she would know what the issues were, she'd be using mixed sex hospitals, shelters and public toilets. She isn't, so doesn't.

her stance on trans issues

You mean her stance on womens rights?

Rich women still might have cause to use a public toilet or changing room. I agree wealth is a big shield though.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 04:44

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:35

Book intelligent is not general intelligent.

Her name would have got her in.

Yes, she got in based on straight As at A Level and GCSE but otoh Ivy League is well-known for its legacy students, a celebrity student is little different. Ironic for the supposedly classless America.

ThatBlackCat · 30/09/2025 04:45

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 20:36

Hang on though
All Emma Watson has done is say she stands for trans rights
she hasn’t said a word about jk Rowling .
is she supposed to not have a voice because she doesn’t share same opinion as another woman ?
i am not saying jk r Rowling view is wrong. I want women to be safe and have female only spaces .
I also feel sympathy for people who feel they’ve been born in wrong body gender .

She has done far, far, far more than that, you obviously have not been paying attention. She has repeatedly mocked JK. She has said JK is wrong to defend womens rights. And, she donated money to a child sterilising charity.

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