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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 02:19

McSilkson · 30/09/2025 02:11

Oh, and here's some proof of my claims, because I've been challenged before, but couldn't be bothered to provide it at the time.

"I'm sorry the fact that I have so much more money than you makes you feel so emasculated." I mean... That was the last straw for me.

Where to start? The extreme crassness of continually boasting about how rich and successful you are and rubbing it in your enemies' faces as a trump card. Yes, Jo, we get it: you're extremely rich and Harry Potter is extremely successful and no one can cancel you. Bravo. Maybe try to be a bit more secure in that knowledge. (Compare Harry's concealment, humility and even embarassment about his riches and his literally world-saving fame.) Accusing a man of feeling "emasculated", which has a faint whiff of homophobia....

And yet people on here claim JKR hasn't become petty and spiteful...

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Come on, those are all perfectly reasonable! They are all horrible creeps that she's referring to.

fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 02:22

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 02:15

That's is the implication of her post that inspired this thread!
She's written paragraphs essentially indicating that she thinks Emma Watson is ungrateful. Vaguely disguised as a type of concern.. the whole concept of personally attacking Emma implies that she's been ungrateful and JK has taken it personally. Why else bring her name into it and make negative conjecture about her personality and upbringing? What part of it doesn't read as JK thinking she's been ungrateful and her difference in opinion is a betrayal?

I hope deciphering meaning from written statements is not part of your day job

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 02:24

Horsie · 30/09/2025 02:16

I don't like Emma's witches jibe or her current arse-licking of JK, but at least be accurate in your criticism. Emma is very intelligent. She got straight As at GCSE and A-level, which qualified her for an Ivy League university, and she's currently doing a DPhil at Oxford. It simply isn't true, at all, that she "isn't very bright" or that she is "slow-witted." I think that would be news to Brown and Oxford universities!

Tbf some people seem to go to Oxford who aren't bright (Cameron for one....).Ivy League often lets people in based on who their family are or if they're good at sports.

I think Emma is booksmart but you can be that & still utterly lack common sense. Plenty of booksmart people have fallen for this.

Plenty of famously clever people were taken in by stupid ideas bc they got detached from the real world. Look at Simone de Beauvoir saying mothers only wanted to spend time with babies because of sexism. Or Marxist-suporting novelists & philosophers (hell, Marx himself!) Or the 'Nobel disease' where Nobel winners get too big for their boots & advocate crazy stuff.

MyAmpleSheep · 30/09/2025 02:25

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 01:46

Um, I doubt the 'polling' is framed around it being okay to dehumanise & demonise trans people as mentally ill sexual predators to justify their views tho.

It’s either-or. Mentally ill, or sexual predators.

but frankly the motivation of men wanting into women’s single sex spaces is irrelevant. There’s no legitimate reason.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 02:29

fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 02:22

I hope deciphering meaning from written statements is not part of your day job

I think you just don't want to see it that way.
But the entire existence of this statement reads as though she has a personal grievance against Emma Watson. Not just about her opinions.
She could have written "i disagree with EW and here's why.."
This was instead a personal attack.

McSilkson · 30/09/2025 02:30

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 02:19

Come on, those are all perfectly reasonable! They are all horrible creeps that she's referring to.

Insulting someone's physical appearance is never reasonable. Nor is asserting they have "anal leakage", unless you're a very immature 11-year-old boy.

And people in glass houses... When Jo's appearance was caricatured by Oxfam, they were widely condemned, most especially by those on here!

VoulezVouz · 30/09/2025 02:30

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 01:19

"Bizarre.
I can't believe all the women here just acting like it's some kind of wonderful comeback simply because JK critiques the trans activism and they like that. I mean come on... this is not how that's going ti read to casual observers. She sounds unhinged. You must know deep down she does?"

Yup, its very reminiscent of the cultish MAGA worship of Trump where however irrational dear leader becomes, he is defended unquestionably. And I suspect for the same root causes. MAGA's disenfranchisement from society via the consequences of their own culture of relentless capitalist individualism lends them vulnerable to scape goatism. For them it's 'the immigrant' whose responsible for their opportunities dwindling. For Gender Criticals who many have suffered at the hands of violent men & a society that incentivises femininity its the trans woman. In their minds, the failure of justice rationalises their uncivil vigilantism. 'We are at war' & therefore diplomacy is not an option.

The thing is, however legitimate one's grievances are, descending into the animal kingdom when the rest of society isn't on board the degradation of civil discussion train isn't going to end well for them. And perhaps EW in all her 'inexperience' seems to understand this. Maybe its exactly because she was never a victim she isn't vulnerable to her emotional tail wagging her head?

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I agree. The point that proves it to me on these types of threads, always, is when the chat moves to how awful the acting of Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe is. That is completely unrelated to the topic, but it seems necessary to say that “I never liked EW’s acting - so wooden” etc. I think that is where it begins to step over the line from admiration to hero worship (and near cultism).

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 02:32

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/09/2025 18:48

Lol.
You've presumably not read her words or looked at EW's repeated comments about JKR? If you've no insight or empathy into how encouraging the rabid trans mob to attack JKR is dangerous to her and her family, then I'm not sure who can help you?

(edited to add context)

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I agree that Emma's response was awful, but I think it's a slippery slope to say it 'encouraged' the rabid mob attacks. No one is responsible for those except the mob themselves, and I don't think her statements can be read as encouraging violent threats at all, bad though they are.

Horsie · 30/09/2025 02:36

SerafinasGoose · 29/09/2025 17:03

Anyone can begin a DPhil.

Finishing one is another matter. They can be a very isolating, solitary experience. Universities also don't give these things away like sweets. They are hard, demanding work and require a certain level of intellectual capability.

We shall see.

It's not true that anyone can start a DPhil. You have to have a decent first degree and master's, and the academics who accept you have to be satisfied that you've come up with a good enough idea to justify studying a DPhil. Emma already has straight As at GCSE, A-level, and an Ivy League degree, plus acceptance to study for this doctorate at Oxford. What more proof do you want of her "intellectual capacity"?!

The stuff people are saying on here just because she disagrees with JK...I don't like her views either, and I deplored that snide little witches comment, and her current arse-licking of JK. But it's nonsensical to say that she's not bright or that she can't act. She would not have got the HP part if she couldn't act, nor done numerous films and TV series since, including the Disney blockbuster Beauty and the Beast. And someone said she was damaged, appeared lacking in basic intelligence, all sorts. Why can't people just accept that some people have different views? Why the need to tear everything about someone down because of that? It's stupid. Had similar earlier on the Taylor Swift thread, saying everything under the sun about her including truly nonsensical stuff.

2021x · 30/09/2025 02:39

I am going against the grain here, I was very disappointed by the response. As a reminder all of the HP were kids and young when they entered in to this, JKR was an adult with her own agency and fully formed ideas and support networks.

I feel that JKR has behaved rather judgementally here, and has made her critique about EW about her wealth rather than about her words. JKR is expecting EW to be empathetic to the needs of women that she might not associate with, but hasn't behaved in that way towards EW herself. JKR was the one who brought the HP kids into this discussion (unintentionally) and has forgotten what it is like to be young and caught up in a movement.

EW and JKR are very similar people, and I think it would hugely benefit the feminist discourse if JKR took a breath and empathised what it was like for EW to be constantly asked about something in relation to comments another person has made that she disagreed with. Also for JKR to reflect that if she was in EW position (wealthy, intellegent and had huge social cache) when she was in her 20s whether she would have behaved in the same way or even held the same beliefs. Also if she had behaved in the same way as EW how would she like to be treated when she knew better.

I feel that she could have responded in a more mature way by reaching out to EW personally and put a holding statement out. I think now EW has reached 35 and is starting to rethink things, it is brave of her to even admit publically any indication that she is seeing things differently. The backlash for her will be intense and coming from both directions.

It would be valuable for all of us if there was some type conversation, in person with a mediator so both sides could be heard fairly. They don't have to agree but can come away with an appreciation that they have both behaved immaturely at times, and rather than trying to tear strips off in other, focus the fight on the people trying to cause disruption.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 02:40

VoulezVouz · 30/09/2025 02:30

I agree. The point that proves it to me on these types of threads, always, is when the chat moves to how awful the acting of Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe is. That is completely unrelated to the topic, but it seems necessary to say that “I never liked EW’s acting - so wooden” etc. I think that is where it begins to step over the line from admiration to hero worship (and near cultism).

It IS cultish! It's like everyone's forgotten you can agree and disagree with ideas and actions of the same person simultaneously because we are all complex human beings.
And you see it on all sides here because you get some TRAs raking through everything JK has ever written trying to find 'evidence' that she's racist, homophobic, whatever evil thing they want.. because they have to make her whole character evil just because they don't agree with something she said.

And here on this thread EW is apparently 'dim witted' 'a terrible actress' 'directly causing people to send death threats to JK' or whatever absolute nonsense.

And tbf JK has added to this mess with her ridiculous 'statement' that just encourages this type of thinking.
And people are going on like it's a religion and everything she says is gospel and it's something kind of war we are fighting.

It's frightening honestly.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 02:42

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 02:40

It IS cultish! It's like everyone's forgotten you can agree and disagree with ideas and actions of the same person simultaneously because we are all complex human beings.
And you see it on all sides here because you get some TRAs raking through everything JK has ever written trying to find 'evidence' that she's racist, homophobic, whatever evil thing they want.. because they have to make her whole character evil just because they don't agree with something she said.

And here on this thread EW is apparently 'dim witted' 'a terrible actress' 'directly causing people to send death threats to JK' or whatever absolute nonsense.

And tbf JK has added to this mess with her ridiculous 'statement' that just encourages this type of thinking.
And people are going on like it's a religion and everything she says is gospel and it's something kind of war we are fighting.

It's frightening honestly.

Tbf she attended Brown on a pass/fail system to take the pressure of achieving high grades, we don't know what her degree grade was. She was obviously smart enough to get As for GCSE & A Level, but otoh US unis are known for taking 'legacy' students so it's not out of bounds that her celeb status may have played a role in her getting in.

2021x · 30/09/2025 02:49

VoulezVouz · 30/09/2025 02:30

I agree. The point that proves it to me on these types of threads, always, is when the chat moves to how awful the acting of Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe is. That is completely unrelated to the topic, but it seems necessary to say that “I never liked EW’s acting - so wooden” etc. I think that is where it begins to step over the line from admiration to hero worship (and near cultism).

I have also observed this. There is a cultish worship of JKR that she would hate herself. Noone is perfect and worthy of unobjective praise. We should always think critically about the behaviour of powerful people.

I hugely admire JKR for her stance, her talent and her philanthropy. I think she is a force for good in the world and am happy to see her work in action. I do also observe that she can be reactive, blinkered and unforgiving to the point where it can be to her detriment.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 02:51

2021x · 30/09/2025 02:39

I am going against the grain here, I was very disappointed by the response. As a reminder all of the HP were kids and young when they entered in to this, JKR was an adult with her own agency and fully formed ideas and support networks.

I feel that JKR has behaved rather judgementally here, and has made her critique about EW about her wealth rather than about her words. JKR is expecting EW to be empathetic to the needs of women that she might not associate with, but hasn't behaved in that way towards EW herself. JKR was the one who brought the HP kids into this discussion (unintentionally) and has forgotten what it is like to be young and caught up in a movement.

EW and JKR are very similar people, and I think it would hugely benefit the feminist discourse if JKR took a breath and empathised what it was like for EW to be constantly asked about something in relation to comments another person has made that she disagreed with. Also for JKR to reflect that if she was in EW position (wealthy, intellegent and had huge social cache) when she was in her 20s whether she would have behaved in the same way or even held the same beliefs. Also if she had behaved in the same way as EW how would she like to be treated when she knew better.

I feel that she could have responded in a more mature way by reaching out to EW personally and put a holding statement out. I think now EW has reached 35 and is starting to rethink things, it is brave of her to even admit publically any indication that she is seeing things differently. The backlash for her will be intense and coming from both directions.

It would be valuable for all of us if there was some type conversation, in person with a mediator so both sides could be heard fairly. They don't have to agree but can come away with an appreciation that they have both behaved immaturely at times, and rather than trying to tear strips off in other, focus the fight on the people trying to cause disruption.

30 isn't THAT young, for a start...and obvs she's just as silly at 35.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 02:53

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 02:42

Tbf she attended Brown on a pass/fail system to take the pressure of achieving high grades, we don't know what her degree grade was. She was obviously smart enough to get As for GCSE & A Level, but otoh US unis are known for taking 'legacy' students so it's not out of bounds that her celeb status may have played a role in her getting in.

Yeah i think we can safely say that she isn't 'dim witted' by any stretch of the imagination. She might not be Einstein but what's that got to do with anything?
I'm not sure you could call anyone stupid who managed to get a bunch of As at A level.. if you look at that statistically it's a small percentage of the population. So above average academically at least. But of course that's not all intelligence is about.. people are complex.
End of the day WHY IS IT EVEN RELEVANT? would people on here agree with her if she got into mensa?
Just fodder for personal attacks coz they don't agree with her opinion.
And then JK is saying she's too posh to understand basically..
So what do we want her to be to allow her to have an opinion and express it? Working class yet highly educated? Homeless as a child yet got into Oxford?
I mean wtf.
Both of these women are whole human beings. They are both allowed opinions, they are both allowed to disagree with each other.
What has me unsettled is how JK has taken to personally attacking Emma's character and choosing to write a very long statement directly about Emma. I don't think it's ok.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 02:56

labtest57 · 29/09/2025 17:51

The product of a very expensive private education. Very much doubt she'd have done that well from a local comp.

Tbf she was homeschooled for secondary, thiugh surely with good tutors. Hang on, results say she was homeschooled AND went to Headington School..can't both be true...

2021x · 30/09/2025 02:56

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 02:53

Yeah i think we can safely say that she isn't 'dim witted' by any stretch of the imagination. She might not be Einstein but what's that got to do with anything?
I'm not sure you could call anyone stupid who managed to get a bunch of As at A level.. if you look at that statistically it's a small percentage of the population. So above average academically at least. But of course that's not all intelligence is about.. people are complex.
End of the day WHY IS IT EVEN RELEVANT? would people on here agree with her if she got into mensa?
Just fodder for personal attacks coz they don't agree with her opinion.
And then JK is saying she's too posh to understand basically..
So what do we want her to be to allow her to have an opinion and express it? Working class yet highly educated? Homeless as a child yet got into Oxford?
I mean wtf.
Both of these women are whole human beings. They are both allowed opinions, they are both allowed to disagree with each other.
What has me unsettled is how JK has taken to personally attacking Emma's character and choosing to write a very long statement directly about Emma. I don't think it's ok.

Completely agree with this statement.

Emma Watson is clearly intelligent, and that is demonstrated by her discomfort. She has been able to see her behaviour with a more mature lens, and is going through the difficult and embarassing process of observing that her thinking was incredibly rigid and she took cheap shots to gain (fragile) popularity.

She is actually starting to hold herself accountable for her behaviour, and I admire that in a person. I hope at some point JKR will also come to respect this as well.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 03:04

VoulezVouz · 30/09/2025 02:30

I agree. The point that proves it to me on these types of threads, always, is when the chat moves to how awful the acting of Emma Watson and Daniel Radcliffe is. That is completely unrelated to the topic, but it seems necessary to say that “I never liked EW’s acting - so wooden” etc. I think that is where it begins to step over the line from admiration to hero worship (and near cultism).

Exactly. And what's particularly unhelpful is hero worship frustrates rational discussion. We aren't discussing issues any more but performing loyalty to the cult of personality.

And in terms of discussion boards on feminist issues that include the broader population, that's disappointing because there aren't many avenues for that.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 03:05

@ParmaViolets, Tbf I like her performances in The Perks of Being a Wallflower, Noah, The Bling Ring & Little Women. Admittedly not hugely demanding roles but all different from Hermione & credible imo. She was fine in My Week With Marilyn though nothing incredible.

WandaWomblesaurusWonka · 30/09/2025 03:07

It’s so shocking to me that Emma is talking constantly about being sensitive and empathetic and yet is apparently just fine and dandy about male rapists being able to self ID as women. Where is her empathy for female survivors of SA? For women with multiple SA trauma like myself, even the possibility of a male body in a women’s space can trigger terror, flashbacks, or make them opt out altogether. Self ID activists like Emma call that “unkind” or “transphobic.” No. It’s trauma logic. And ignoring that trauma is the opposite of empathy, it’s just enforcing cruelty and more trauma for those women.

Critics saying “JKR shouldn’t take this as a personal grievance” are spectacularly missing the point.
JKR has been on the receiving end of violent male abuse, stalking, death and rape threats. This isn’t abstract to her. She also grew up poor, lived with domestic violence, and understands exactly what female survivors face. For Rowling, the self-ID agenda is not just a popularity poll, it’s life or death about whether women like her (and millions of others like me) are entitled to even one space free of male entitlement. Why are we not allowed to express that we don’t want ANY men in our spaces? How much screaming do we have to do for anyone to listen to us? It’s sickening.

Of course JKR takes it personally. It is personal. why should only one side be permitted to speak their truth? Emma can go on glossy podcasts, speak in that soft-focus, vague therapeutic language about “holding space,” “loving through disagreement,” and it is applauded as enlightened by people who hero worshipped her in their own cult of trans (If we are going to talk about cults here). But the moment Rowling speaks plainly “male rapists should not be housed with women,” “children should not be medicalised” she’s accused of being bitter, vengeful, “making it personal.” She’s talking about womens and children’s safety not about being BFF.

It IS personal. the tired “cult of personality” line, as if women speaking up about safeguarding are just fangirls worshipping a celebrity rather than women defending their rights. Rowling’s arguments are about law, safeguarding, and children’s medical ethics. Watson is talking instead about “BEKIND, HAVE A CONVERSATION, FRIENDS, WOW.”

People have lost their minds.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 03:14

hholiday · 29/09/2025 14:44

It sums up the privilege gap perfectly. JK, as a single mum having lived in poverty, gets instantly why this movement harms women and girls.

Emma, as a young millionaire, does not - and JK lists the ways in which Emm is ignorant of her own ignorance. No knowledge of prisons, rape crisis centres, mixed sex hospital wards, high street changing rooms, local authority leisure centres etc.

it’s interesting because the more trans rights come to be associated with privilege, the more people will drop it like a hot stone. Very strategic of JK, as well as quite brilliantly executed.

A millionaire might still need a rape crisis centre or wish to use a changing room in a shop- but ofc their money would be a shield from potential issues. Hospitals obvs they could use private health care etc

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 03:15

WandaWomblesaurusWonka · 30/09/2025 03:07

It’s so shocking to me that Emma is talking constantly about being sensitive and empathetic and yet is apparently just fine and dandy about male rapists being able to self ID as women. Where is her empathy for female survivors of SA? For women with multiple SA trauma like myself, even the possibility of a male body in a women’s space can trigger terror, flashbacks, or make them opt out altogether. Self ID activists like Emma call that “unkind” or “transphobic.” No. It’s trauma logic. And ignoring that trauma is the opposite of empathy, it’s just enforcing cruelty and more trauma for those women.

Critics saying “JKR shouldn’t take this as a personal grievance” are spectacularly missing the point.
JKR has been on the receiving end of violent male abuse, stalking, death and rape threats. This isn’t abstract to her. She also grew up poor, lived with domestic violence, and understands exactly what female survivors face. For Rowling, the self-ID agenda is not just a popularity poll, it’s life or death about whether women like her (and millions of others like me) are entitled to even one space free of male entitlement. Why are we not allowed to express that we don’t want ANY men in our spaces? How much screaming do we have to do for anyone to listen to us? It’s sickening.

Of course JKR takes it personally. It is personal. why should only one side be permitted to speak their truth? Emma can go on glossy podcasts, speak in that soft-focus, vague therapeutic language about “holding space,” “loving through disagreement,” and it is applauded as enlightened by people who hero worshipped her in their own cult of trans (If we are going to talk about cults here). But the moment Rowling speaks plainly “male rapists should not be housed with women,” “children should not be medicalised” she’s accused of being bitter, vengeful, “making it personal.” She’s talking about womens and children’s safety not about being BFF.

It IS personal. the tired “cult of personality” line, as if women speaking up about safeguarding are just fangirls worshipping a celebrity rather than women defending their rights. Rowling’s arguments are about law, safeguarding, and children’s medical ethics. Watson is talking instead about “BEKIND, HAVE A CONVERSATION, FRIENDS, WOW.”

People have lost their minds.

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This is what's called a Motte & Bailey fallacy. A rhetorical tactic where an arguer presents a controversial, harder-to-defend claim (the bailey) and then, when challenged, switches to a more modest, easily-defended claim (the motte) that is subtly different from the original argument.

JKR, her peers & supporters concerns are underpinned by safety but they are also often framed both explicitly & implicitly in dehumanising & demonising rhetoric of trans people being deluded sexual predators or perverse fetishists.

Its not what you say but the way you say it…

2021x · 30/09/2025 03:25

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 03:15

This is what's called a Motte & Bailey fallacy. A rhetorical tactic where an arguer presents a controversial, harder-to-defend claim (the bailey) and then, when challenged, switches to a more modest, easily-defended claim (the motte) that is subtly different from the original argument.

JKR, her peers & supporters concerns are underpinned by safety but they are also often framed both explicitly & implicitly in dehumanising & demonising rhetoric of trans people being deluded sexual predators or perverse fetishists.

Its not what you say but the way you say it…

What we are discussing isn't about the trans "rights" its about how to respond to someone when they are changing their mind.

JKR can feel hurt, but she could also have reasoned that they are young and observe being targeted and they will grow out of it. I have no doubt she had better things to deal with than what three people were saying. She is not responsible for EW wealth and success. EW , her agent etc.. are responsible for that. The reason that all the actors in the HP universe were asked about their opinions on this, is ONLY because of JKR decision to enter into the discussion.

Being young, and socially influential they felt like they had to take a side. None of the adult actors (Ralph Fiennes etc.. ) responses have been highlighted as much as the three main actors and I think alot of predatory people took advantage of their immaturity.

I just think we should slow down our judgement of EW and critically observe the interactions that JKR has chosen to take. We can't teach people that they are cast out from society for some ill informed shit they thought in their 20s. We all do dumb shit in our 20s and there has to be a path back to redemption.

WandaWomblesaurusWonka · 30/09/2025 03:25

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 03:15

This is what's called a Motte & Bailey fallacy. A rhetorical tactic where an arguer presents a controversial, harder-to-defend claim (the bailey) and then, when challenged, switches to a more modest, easily-defended claim (the motte) that is subtly different from the original argument.

JKR, her peers & supporters concerns are underpinned by safety but they are also often framed both explicitly & implicitly in dehumanising & demonising rhetoric of trans people being deluded sexual predators or perverse fetishists.

Its not what you say but the way you say it…

Bailey: “Trans women are women, full stop. They must be allowed into every female space.”

Survivors “no”

Motte: “Don’t be mean to trans people, not all (men).”

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 03:45

2021x · 30/09/2025 03:25

What we are discussing isn't about the trans "rights" its about how to respond to someone when they are changing their mind.

JKR can feel hurt, but she could also have reasoned that they are young and observe being targeted and they will grow out of it. I have no doubt she had better things to deal with than what three people were saying. She is not responsible for EW wealth and success. EW , her agent etc.. are responsible for that. The reason that all the actors in the HP universe were asked about their opinions on this, is ONLY because of JKR decision to enter into the discussion.

Being young, and socially influential they felt like they had to take a side. None of the adult actors (Ralph Fiennes etc.. ) responses have been highlighted as much as the three main actors and I think alot of predatory people took advantage of their immaturity.

I just think we should slow down our judgement of EW and critically observe the interactions that JKR has chosen to take. We can't teach people that they are cast out from society for some ill informed shit they thought in their 20s. We all do dumb shit in our 20s and there has to be a path back to redemption.

Emma & Daniel made the comments at 30, not in their 20s, and Emma is 35 now and still sticks by them.

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