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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 01:19

Athreedoorwardrobe · 29/09/2025 23:36

I agree. It really comes across as a bitter rant. Just because Emma has not personally attacked JK. So why has she personally named Emma? Like I said it comes across as very "i put a roof over your head so show me respect" covert narcissism even. She states that Emma doesn't owe her agreement then basically writes an emotional essay on why she thinks she does actually. Bizarre.
I can't believe all the women here just acting like it's some kind of wonderful comeback simply because JK critiques the trans activism and they like that. I mean come on... this is not how that's going ti read to casual observers. She sounds unhinged. You must know deep down she does?

"Bizarre.
I can't believe all the women here just acting like it's some kind of wonderful comeback simply because JK critiques the trans activism and they like that. I mean come on... this is not how that's going ti read to casual observers. She sounds unhinged. You must know deep down she does?"

Yup, its very reminiscent of the cultish MAGA worship of Trump where however irrational dear leader becomes, he is defended unquestionably. And I suspect for the same root causes. MAGA's disenfranchisement from society via the consequences of their own culture of relentless capitalist individualism lends them vulnerable to scape goatism. For them it's 'the immigrant' whose responsible for their opportunities dwindling. For Gender Criticals who many have suffered at the hands of violent men & a society that incentivises femininity its the trans woman. In their minds, the failure of justice rationalises their uncivil vigilantism. 'We are at war' & therefore diplomacy is not an option.

The thing is, however legitimate one's grievances are, descending into the animal kingdom when the rest of society isn't on board the degradation of civil discussion train isn't going to end well for them. And perhaps EW in all her 'inexperience' seems to understand this. Maybe its exactly because she was never a victim she isn't vulnerable to her emotional tail wagging her head?

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 01:24

PandorasMailbox · 30/09/2025 00:32

His father was a friend of the producer. He certainly didn't get it on talent alone. Or talent at all tbf.

Daniel has been awful too but tbf on this issue, while I definitely agree connections played a role, it seems his role as young David Copperfield in the 1999 BBC version may also have helped.
Radcliffe said Maggie Smith put in a good word for him, and Columbus reported being impressed by Radcliffe's performance in Copperfield when he watched it while casting.
I personally love that version & think Radcliffe does perform well, though obvs we don't know how he stacks up compared to others who auditioned for HP.

https://fandomwire.com/daniel-radcliffe-credits-maggie-smith-for-his-harry-potter-role-that-changed-his-life-forever-i-didnt-know-who-she-was/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/who-owns-daniel-radcliffe-the-curse-of-child-fame-438724.html

Maggie Smith and Harry Potter

Daniel Radcliffe Credits Maggie Smith for His Harry Potter Role That Changed His Life Forever: “I didn’t know who she was”

Daniel Radcliffe credits Maggie Smith for his life-changing Harry Potter role, reflecting on her pivotal impact on his career.

https://fandomwire.com/daniel-radcliffe-credits-maggie-smith-for-his-harry-potter-role-that-changed-his-life-forever-i-didnt-know-who-she-was

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 01:30

1offnamechange · 29/09/2025 22:30

interesting example as the main actress (Eleven) in stranger things is actually British!

I think there are/were at that time quite a lot of good British child actors - Saoirse Roan got an Oscar nom for Atonement the same year as HP and OoTP, the ones from Game of Thrones were very young when they started, Asa Butterfield from Sex Education who was in The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas and various other things, Thomas Brodie Sangster, Freddie Highmore, Felicity Jones, Nicholas Hoult are all similar ages to the HP lot, were acting from a similar age if not younger, and are still working steadily today, as are most of the ones from Narnia, who were all decent enough...and to be fair some of the other younger actors in HP were fine (Neville, Draco).

Which does make it all the more confusing that with literally every 10-13 year old in the country to choose from them they went for those 3 over enunciating gurners, plus a few honourable mentions in the crap acting stakes (pretty much all the Weasleys).

Off topic but I've always loved Asa Butterfield in Scorcese's Hugo. I also watched The Roman Mysteries as a child and the actors there were all good imo (I think most did not stay in the industry). Also liked Dakota Blue Richards in The Golden Compass though the film itself was terrible.

On the main trio, I think Grint, the lowest profile since, was ironically the best as Ron. I know he had a long-running gig in M Night Shyamalan's series Servant but haven't watch yet so can't judge that.

ByQuirkyCat · 30/09/2025 01:30

Good response, but I doubt Emma Watson is intelligent enough or empathetic enough to actually understand it.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 01:32

KnottyAuty · 30/09/2025 00:26

do post those horrible dms on this thread - sending horrible messages is really bad form and should be outed

When you report to mumsnet they remove them. All you are left with is a note saying "admin have deleted the messages"
I get lovely inbox messages too and I'm not interested in turning off messaging.
Even if I still had those messages I wouldn't post them here.
It hasn't happened often. Looking at my messages now.. A couple of times last year. Twice 5 years ago when I commented on a thread regarding trans issues. From someone I did engage with on thread explaining my reasoning quite a lot. I learnt from that that despite what people say most don't want to hear your 'argument' they just want an outlet for anger. It's not worth your energy most of the time. It becomes a pile on on these threads. You get a couple of dissenting opinions which are then repeatedly quoted, so those people will just get loads of alerts with quite hostile responses. It's draining. So hardly anyone bothers any more like they did ten years ago on this site. Which is fine but don't be fooled into thinking this is a real cross section of real womens views any more. It IS an echo chamber.

fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 01:32

JHound · 29/09/2025 19:56

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

What’s with so many privileged people playing the “man/woman of the people” class card?

There is no evidence that Emma’s views would be different if she was poor. Does Joanna really think there are no working class people who disagree with her stance on trans issues? It’s such a lazy argument and one that is everywhere right now. Class warriors.

I think concluding it's privilege that prevents EW from seeing the truth is actually rather kind on JKR's part. The alternative explanation is that EW is actually quite dumb...

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 01:38

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 29/09/2025 20:42

I must have missed Emma’s heartfelt apology to JKR, where she owns up to the fact that she undoubtedly encouraged some of the kidnap, rape and death threats that JKR received, whilst also publicly admitting donating to a charity, run by a woman, who’s 16th birthday present for her son was a full medical ‘sex change’ in Thailand, could you maybe post a link to it?

I agree Emma is vile but this is too much. Saying what she said is NOT the same as 'encouraging kidnap, rape and death threats'.
It is a dangerous slippery slope to say what she said caused, let alone encouraged, those atrocious threats.
On MN generally I've seen a lot of people say that Lucy Connolly's 'set fire to all the hotels for all I care' was not encouraging violence, but was just angry hyperbole. While I would agree and think her sentence was much too long, it's just as incorrect to say that EW's words were 'encouraging' rape, kidnap & death threats.

Horsie · 30/09/2025 01:39

lcakethereforeIam · 29/09/2025 15:51

For the beeb it wasn't too bad but there was a line about JKR campaigning against tp having access to single sex changing rooms and public toilets which turned on its head what she's actually campaigned for.

I'll probably get a mealy mouthed response which will make me wish I hadn't bothered 😕

I'm confused...JK Rowling was indeed campaigning against tp being allowed into single-sex spaces, wasn't she? How does that turn on its head what she's actually campaigned for? That would mean she's actually campaigned for tp to be in single-sex spaces, wouldn't it? Which is obviously not correct.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 01:42

Athreedoorwardrobe · 29/09/2025 23:45

It's difficult on mumsnet. There's an echo chamber where anyone with moderate views on this topic or, did forbid, actual trans activists, will get hounded out of conversations. And this was at it's peak years ago so most don't bother to even try now days. You'll see me get flamed for this comment probably now. I'll get inbox messages of abuse as well. I always have on the handful of occasions I've dared to question JK Rowling

Yep, I get routinely called a perverse man who must be only here to get his rocks off & I'm a mother of two. I'd put my house on the worst bullies here not even having children.

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 01:43

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 01:32

When you report to mumsnet they remove them. All you are left with is a note saying "admin have deleted the messages"
I get lovely inbox messages too and I'm not interested in turning off messaging.
Even if I still had those messages I wouldn't post them here.
It hasn't happened often. Looking at my messages now.. A couple of times last year. Twice 5 years ago when I commented on a thread regarding trans issues. From someone I did engage with on thread explaining my reasoning quite a lot. I learnt from that that despite what people say most don't want to hear your 'argument' they just want an outlet for anger. It's not worth your energy most of the time. It becomes a pile on on these threads. You get a couple of dissenting opinions which are then repeatedly quoted, so those people will just get loads of alerts with quite hostile responses. It's draining. So hardly anyone bothers any more like they did ten years ago on this site. Which is fine but don't be fooled into thinking this is a real cross section of real womens views any more. It IS an echo chamber.

The polling done on the topic is strongly in line with predominant views on here. So no, I don't think you are right on this point.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 01:46

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 01:43

The polling done on the topic is strongly in line with predominant views on here. So no, I don't think you are right on this point.

Um, I doubt the 'polling' is framed around it being okay to dehumanise & demonise trans people as mentally ill sexual predators to justify their views tho.

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 01:49

CoffeeCantata · 29/09/2025 21:09

100%

Also, I’m so relieved that JK hasn’t gone soft in the head and forgiven EW. Forgiveness is overrated in my opinion and it’s good for someone like EW to be made to feel uncomfortable about her past cowardly behaviour. I hope she has a jolly good think and reflects on her nasty public utterances.

Personally I cringe when actors get political. They’re just actors- why should their (usually superficial, trendy and virtue-signalling) views carry the slightest bit of weight?

I think actors (and others in the public eye) CAN do good work bringing attention to a cause. There are some actors who choose causes they genuinely seem to know something about & do good work bringing attention. Christina Ricci is one example with her work as an advocate for RAINN. I also think Kate Winslet founding the Golden Hat Foundation for autism research. Or Keanu Reeves, who privately funded a cancer charity (he has had cancer in his family, Ricci has had sexual abuse in hers- both personally connected & did not have the easiest upbringings, I think this makes a difference. Silver spoon types tend to be more clumsy at advocacy often)
The issue comes when they pull a Vanessa Redgrave or Jane Fonda & get too far into extreme politics like Marxism or a Leo Dicaprio & Emma Thompson talking about the climate yet flying around in jets. Also Angelina Jolie- it's been questioned how much of her Girl Summit money went to rape victims) Generally I think actors who do actually helpful work are lower profile ones. You can retain integrity as an A-Lister, but it's rarer.

fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 01:49

Howseitgoin · 29/09/2025 23:24

Hmmm.

It’s quite telling that Emma Watson has literally never said a bad word about JKR, but Rowling perceives any message of support or defence of the trans community as a personal attack on her. It's such an own goal by JKR to be drawn into an uncharitable vicious attack that one wonders if EW was playing a bit of 5 D 'cry bully' chess here knowing the 'old crone' wouldn't able to resist going low. She walked straight into that one. The Master's Apprentice comes to mind…😂

And is JKR really suggesting that people without personal experience about an issue aren't capable of making valid points about it? Wouldn't that include those pontificating on the state of mental health of trans people?

Every accusation is a confession…

I think Watson using her public platform to support a movement that causes grave harm to vulnerable people is the issue, not attacks on JKR.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 01:53

TheKeatingFive · 30/09/2025 01:43

The polling done on the topic is strongly in line with predominant views on here. So no, I don't think you are right on this point.

Which views?
Wanting protected single sex spaces?. yeah maybe that's true.
Idolising every word that comes out of JK Rowlings mouth even when it's quite unhinged? No I don't think so.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 01:55

fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 01:49

I think Watson using her public platform to support a movement that causes grave harm to vulnerable people is the issue, not attacks on JKR.

That 'ingratitude' has been the overwhelming 'grievance' levelled against Watson kinda disputes that.

McSilkson · 30/09/2025 01:58

I mean, even as a teenager, Harry managed to forgive/come to terms with Aunt Petunia, Dudley, Malfoy and the vicious adult bully that was Snape, of all people... And yet JKR has shown herself to truly cherish and gloat over her grievances and enmities. I don't think it's a good look on anyone. I feel the same about Graham Linehan (though without the sense of personal disappointment, having never been a fan ), so this has nothing to do with double standards for women's conduct, which seems to be the knee-jerk accusation whenever anyone dares criticises JKR on here.

One can be on the right side and good, like Harry, or on the right side and personally poisonous, like Snape. I know which hero I prefer.

At some point, maybe move on, let it go, find a better use for your time (one would think a world-class and highly successful novelist would have better things to do with her time than spend almost every day slinging personal insults at enemies and random and previously faceless losers on social media, and yet...). Twitter/X is the worst thing to ever happen to JKR, IMO. It tends to bring out the absolute worst in people, and they all end up writhing and spitting and striking in the same nest of vipers. Just sad.

We can add this thorough public evisceration of Emma Watson to the list of JKR's recent admirable achievements, along with continually feeding trolls like India Willoughby, insulting trans individuals' - however loathsome - physical appearances (always the lowest of blows) by calling them "scary-looking creep"s, etc., and making grotesque statements about an enemy, i.e., Jolyon Maugham, suffering "anal leakage". Really lofty and admirable stuff from Jo. Almost gives Harry himself a run for his money...

Some people on here, and Jo herself in this tirade, say Emma Watson is immature/naive at 35, and, while I wouldn't necessarily disagree, Jo is almost twice her age at 60. Perhaps Emma isn't the only one who could do with growing up a bit... It's rather ironic, really.

Horsie · 30/09/2025 01:59

OuterSpaceCadet · 29/09/2025 16:30

She's a genuine socialist (pays more than her fair share of tax, used to be Labour donor); a philanthropist who puts her money where her mouth is; she has both the lived experience of oppression and the power of wealth; her popularity as a writer has given her a huge global platform.

All very inconvenient if you want to convince ordinary people (especially young people) that it is progressive and "left wing" to follow this new, hyper capitalist, iteration of what is essentially a men's rights movement.

Agree with everything you say, but can you explain how the trans movement is capitalist? That's the only thing I don't understand in your post.

Thx!

fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 02:01

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 01:55

That 'ingratitude' has been the overwhelming 'grievance' levelled against Watson kinda disputes that.

Edited

Not by JKR it wasn't - she has never accused EW of being ungrateful. I'm talking about why JKR has spoken out against EW's views even though EW has never directly 'said a bad word about her' as you put it. JKR really really wants the abuse of vulnerable people to stop, you see. She cares about that more than she cares about herself.

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 02:07

fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 02:01

Not by JKR it wasn't - she has never accused EW of being ungrateful. I'm talking about why JKR has spoken out against EW's views even though EW has never directly 'said a bad word about her' as you put it. JKR really really wants the abuse of vulnerable people to stop, you see. She cares about that more than she cares about herself.

Then why go so viciously personal?
If JKR's 'grievance' was limited only to the cause why not let that be the focus instead of petty belittling point scoring? How does that help her extend the causes reach?

Making it personal is because it is personal.

McSilkson · 30/09/2025 02:11

Oh, and here's some proof of my claims, because I've been challenged before, but couldn't be bothered to provide it at the time.

"I'm sorry the fact that I have so much more money than you makes you feel so emasculated." I mean... That was the last straw for me.

Where to start? The extreme crassness of continually boasting about how rich and successful you are and rubbing it in your enemies' faces as a trump card. Yes, Jo, we get it: you're extremely rich and Harry Potter is extremely successful and no one can cancel you. Bravo. Maybe try to be a bit more secure in that knowledge. (Compare Harry's concealment, humility and even embarassment about his riches and his literally world-saving fame.) Accusing a man of feeling "emasculated", which has a faint whiff of homophobia....

And yet people on here claim JKR hasn't become petty and spiteful...

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fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 02:14

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 02:07

Then why go so viciously personal?
If JKR's 'grievance' was limited only to the cause why not let that be the focus instead of petty belittling point scoring? How does that help her extend the causes reach?

Making it personal is because it is personal.

Edited

How do people read a situation this badly?!

MusettasWaltz · 30/09/2025 02:14

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 29/09/2025 20:33

That’s a lot of ifs, buts and maybes. Watson IS privileged, she HAS been brought up in a rarefied environment, she WILL never have to use any form of public toilets, hospital or rape crisis centre, she IS insulated from all of the situations that ordinary women find themselves in every day. JKR has stated the truth specifically about EW, she’s made no comment about anyone else.

EW stated in a recent podcast that she has received a 6 month driving ban because she has been caught speeding four times in quick succession, her excuse being that she finds it difficult to remember not to speed because she’s always been driven everywhere. If that isn’t pure entitlement then I don’t know what is.

Yes, she's 35 for heaven's sake. She could easily have chosen to drive herself..

Athreedoorwardrobe · 30/09/2025 02:15

fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 02:01

Not by JKR it wasn't - she has never accused EW of being ungrateful. I'm talking about why JKR has spoken out against EW's views even though EW has never directly 'said a bad word about her' as you put it. JKR really really wants the abuse of vulnerable people to stop, you see. She cares about that more than she cares about herself.

That's is the implication of her post that inspired this thread!
She's written paragraphs essentially indicating that she thinks Emma Watson is ungrateful. Vaguely disguised as a type of concern.. the whole concept of personally attacking Emma implies that she's been ungrateful and JK has taken it personally. Why else bring her name into it and make negative conjecture about her personality and upbringing? What part of it doesn't read as JK thinking she's been ungrateful and her difference in opinion is a betrayal?

Horsie · 30/09/2025 02:16

AgDulAmach · 29/09/2025 16:42

I agree it's a brilliant response. I hope Emma reads it and takes something from it, but I imagine she's too immature to do that.

I do feel sorry for Emma. She was too famous too young and she isn't very bright. It's a tough combination. She's tried to claw back some credibility but she is up against it with JKR - it is not a good idea for someone as slow-witted as Emma to go up against someone as intelligent and quick thinking.

I don't like Emma's witches jibe or her current arse-licking of JK, but at least be accurate in your criticism. Emma is very intelligent. She got straight As at GCSE and A-level, which qualified her for an Ivy League university, and she's currently doing a DPhil at Oxford. It simply isn't true, at all, that she "isn't very bright" or that she is "slow-witted." I think that would be news to Brown and Oxford universities!

Howseitgoin · 30/09/2025 02:17

fetachocolate · 30/09/2025 02:14

How do people read a situation this badly?!

Well exactly. JKR was only to explicit about how 'the note' was an unsatisfactory response from an alleged loved one.

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