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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:53

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/09/2025 22:48

I said it on the other EW thread but I do think it bears repeating. At the time EW made her ‘all the witches bar one’ speech and then sent her mimsy little note, JKR was receiving credible threats and seriously worried about her children’s safety.

I would not be able to find it in me to be as gracious as JKR has been to a woman who exacerbated a situation that made me feel my children were in danger

How do you know what awareness EW had of JKR’s security situation when she made witches comment?

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 22:53

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:50

I was asked to explain how the response is shaming. I’ve also said from the start that JKR may have been speaking the truth.

EW is shameful. JKR is speaking the truth. HTH.
TBH i think that might be your thoughts as well it its very unclear.

Haulage · 29/09/2025 22:55

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:45

Well okay, I’ll analyse it if you like… The most shaming part is the note - this is told in such a way to suggest duplicity, performance, hypocrisy, betrayal, self-interest, immaturity and, worst of all, direct contribution and escalation of the abuse JKR was suffering. She says EW ‘enthusiastically’ participates in eroding women’s rights when we all know that EW considers herself a feminist. She laughs at her pitifully ‘cushioned’ life, lack of experience etc and emphasises how her success is not her own.

Should JKR not have noticed those things at all or is it her saying that she noticed them that’s a problem for you?

are we back to bananarama?

Duckduckagogo · 29/09/2025 22:55

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:53

How do you know what awareness EW had of JKR’s security situation when she made witches comment?

Her sneaky little hand written note that she had passed to Rowling through a third party, and the fact that literally everyone on the entire planet with internet knew she was threatened with death, rape and assault regularly would be two clues.

Why are you pretending there is the tiniest possibility Watson didn't know?

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 29/09/2025 22:56

What a fucking brilliant response. I love her even more for this. Beautifully put.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/09/2025 22:56

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:53

How do you know what awareness EW had of JKR’s security situation when she made witches comment?

So what?

Also, if she ‘loves’ JKR so much, EW could have picked up the phone and called her to talk things over. Then she would have been aware wouldn’t she? Much easier to play to the crowd at the awards ceremony though innit?

Duckduckagogo · 29/09/2025 22:57

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:53

How do you know what awareness EW had of JKR’s security situation when she made witches comment?

Oh, is that you Emma? 😅😂😁 Sorry love, you've fucked youself royally. Nobody believes a word you say and only those who threaten women with death, rape and assault would ever pretend otherwise. Or their apologists.

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2025 22:57

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:53

How do you know what awareness EW had of JKR’s security situation when she made witches comment?

As the TRAs have significant form for death threats, she could have taken a good guess.

All this has been going on, for example

terfisaslur.com

Duckduckagogo · 29/09/2025 22:58

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/09/2025 22:56

So what?

Also, if she ‘loves’ JKR so much, EW could have picked up the phone and called her to talk things over. Then she would have been aware wouldn’t she? Much easier to play to the crowd at the awards ceremony though innit?

I mean literally all Watson and Radcliffe had to do was shut their fucking traps. Nobody was asking them to defend Joanne Rowling, not even Joanne Rowling. But they had to put the boot in for brownie points.

Duckduckagogo · 29/09/2025 23:01

idontknowhowtodreamyourdreams · 29/09/2025 22:56

What a fucking brilliant response. I love her even more for this. Beautifully put.

It is incredibly poignant, pithy and well written.

As someone said, the character of Hermione was annoying, pretty and clever. But Watson is only annoying and pretty - the clever parts were written for her.

Watson thought that Joanne Rowling would never publicly say anything about Watson and Radcliffe's vile backstabbing. She was counting on it. What a shock for the entitled little cow.

BundleBoogie · 29/09/2025 23:05

That is outstanding. I hope one day EW comes to understand just how lacking she has been.

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 23:06

Haulage · 29/09/2025 22:55

Should JKR not have noticed those things at all or is it her saying that she noticed them that’s a problem for you?

are we back to bananarama?

I’m saying this is a public shaming. Absolutely JKR should call out whoever and whatever she wants to call out but this was an intellectual flattening and total exposure - just feels a bit much.

nicepotoftea · 29/09/2025 23:08

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:53

How do you know what awareness EW had of JKR’s security situation when she made witches comment?

As an intelligent woman she could have noticed that JKR mentioned threats from TRAs in her essay.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 23:12

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 23:06

I’m saying this is a public shaming. Absolutely JKR should call out whoever and whatever she wants to call out but this was an intellectual flattening and total exposure - just feels a bit much.

So she should, to quote you, ‘call out whoever and whatever she wants to call out’. But just not Emma Watson. For reasons you haven’t really been able
to articulate except that you feel ‘it’s a bit much’.

Right.

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 23:13

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 23:06

I’m saying this is a public shaming. Absolutely JKR should call out whoever and whatever she wants to call out but this was an intellectual flattening and total exposure - just feels a bit much.

JKR is a woman who dares to stand up for herself. That's something some people cannot cope with.
"She's a woman! She should always be kind and gentle!"

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 23:17

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 23:06

I’m saying this is a public shaming. Absolutely JKR should call out whoever and whatever she wants to call out but this was an intellectual flattening and total exposure - just feels a bit much.

You know what I would do if I wanted to avoid ‘total
exposure’ and a potentially ‘intellectual flattening’ by JKR?

I wouldn’t talk publicly about her or answer questions about her on a podcast.

OhMaria2 · 29/09/2025 23:20

nomas · 29/09/2025 16:30

Thanks, will have a read. Plus ça change and all that.

This a very interesting but grisly read, if you are interested in the Cultural Revolution and how far people can take their witch hunts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre

Guangxi Massacre - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre

Howseitgoin · 29/09/2025 23:24

Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

Hmmm.

It’s quite telling that Emma Watson has literally never said a bad word about JKR, but Rowling perceives any message of support or defence of the trans community as a personal attack on her. It's such an own goal by JKR to be drawn into an uncharitable vicious attack that one wonders if EW was playing a bit of 5 D 'cry bully' chess here knowing the 'old crone' wouldn't able to resist going low. She walked straight into that one. The Master's Apprentice comes to mind…😂

And is JKR really suggesting that people without personal experience about an issue aren't capable of making valid points about it? Wouldn't that include those pontificating on the state of mental health of trans people?

Every accusation is a confession…

shuggles · 29/09/2025 23:26

@Lowarnes Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool?

I don't think this is a thing. Otherwise men would be flocking to it.

Haulage · 29/09/2025 23:27

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 23:06

I’m saying this is a public shaming. Absolutely JKR should call out whoever and whatever she wants to call out but this was an intellectual flattening and total exposure - just feels a bit much.

I agree it was an intellectual flattening, but it’s not like EW wouldn’t have known how much she’s damaged her relationship with JKR; in Women Who Wouldn’t Wheesht the episode of the handwritten note gets mentioned and JKR wrote about how despicable she found some people’s position - this was reported widely in the media. So EW had fair warning to stop commenting on JKR because JKR might be losing her patience but didn’t heed it.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 29/09/2025 23:36

Howseitgoin · 29/09/2025 23:24

Hmmm.

It’s quite telling that Emma Watson has literally never said a bad word about JKR, but Rowling perceives any message of support or defence of the trans community as a personal attack on her. It's such an own goal by JKR to be drawn into an uncharitable vicious attack that one wonders if EW was playing a bit of 5 D 'cry bully' chess here knowing the 'old crone' wouldn't able to resist going low. She walked straight into that one. The Master's Apprentice comes to mind…😂

And is JKR really suggesting that people without personal experience about an issue aren't capable of making valid points about it? Wouldn't that include those pontificating on the state of mental health of trans people?

Every accusation is a confession…

I agree. It really comes across as a bitter rant. Just because Emma has not personally attacked JK. So why has she personally named Emma? Like I said it comes across as very "i put a roof over your head so show me respect" covert narcissism even. She states that Emma doesn't owe her agreement then basically writes an emotional essay on why she thinks she does actually. Bizarre.
I can't believe all the women here just acting like it's some kind of wonderful comeback simply because JK critiques the trans activism and they like that. I mean come on... this is not how that's going ti read to casual observers. She sounds unhinged. You must know deep down she does?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 23:36

shuggles · 29/09/2025 23:26

@Lowarnes Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool?

I don't think this is a thing. Otherwise men would be flocking to it.

My council run main city pool, which I hadn’t been to in circa 20 years until the other week, is now a ‘changing village’. Yes they are individual cubicles but I was surprised to see a man come out of the next cubicle the same time as me before I realised. They were always sex segregated back in the day. Nothing to stop someone looking over.

It was unnerving.

PollyNomial · 29/09/2025 23:40

Not that this is a cult but I've seen more dissent in a North Korean news broadcast.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 29/09/2025 23:45

PollyNomial · 29/09/2025 23:40

Not that this is a cult but I've seen more dissent in a North Korean news broadcast.

It's difficult on mumsnet. There's an echo chamber where anyone with moderate views on this topic or, did forbid, actual trans activists, will get hounded out of conversations. And this was at it's peak years ago so most don't bother to even try now days. You'll see me get flamed for this comment probably now. I'll get inbox messages of abuse as well. I always have on the handful of occasions I've dared to question JK Rowling

maltravers · 29/09/2025 23:45

shuggles · 29/09/2025 23:26

@Lowarnes Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool?

I don't think this is a thing. Otherwise men would be flocking to it.

You obviously haven’t been to a council run swimming pool recently then. They’re all mixed sex round here.

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