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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2025 22:26

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:15

Ok well she had gender realignment surgery.

How do you surgically realign gender?

Isnt gender a response to social stereotypes / an internal feeling?

What's surgery got to do with that?

AnSolas · 29/09/2025 22:28

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 21:50

To those who say EW hasn’t been bashed, the rhetoric on this thread says otherwise: many here are specifically celebrating her roasting, and that she has been ‘put in her place’. Now sure how feminist it is to crow over the public shaming of a woman for her ‘behaviour’????

Can you point out the elements you think are shaming?

nicepotoftea · 29/09/2025 22:28

For those people unsure about what Emma Watson did to upset JKR, perhaps a trip back to 2020 would be helpful.

In June 2020, as far as I know JKR had

  • expressed her support for Maya Forstater, who went on to win her tribunal for unfair dismissal,
  • sent a tweet suggesting that it's important to be able to refer to women in an article about women.
  • I think revealed in a picture that she had read an article about a woman who had been attacked at a women's rights rally.

She was vilified for all of this, and tried to explain her position in an essay, which revealed her own history of domestic abuse and sexual assault, and raised concerns (since validated by the Cass report) about childhood 'gender medicine'.

As a friend, (and by this point she was 30), Emma could have contacted JKR to understand what had prompted this essay, or to express concern about what she had revealed.

Instead she immediately (the same day) sent a tweet that among other things encouraged her followers to donate to Mermaids, a charity that was at the heart of the practices later condemned by the Cass report and whose CEO has since resigned and joined a company that tries to circumvent UK legislation to flog drugs from abroad.

Trump and paracetomal have been mentioned on this thread. Make no mistake - in this scenario, Emma Watson is either Trump or RFK

However, I think JKR would have continued to refrain from comment, had EW not come up with, what can only charitably described as, a load of old tosh.

"I think the thing I'm most upset about is that a conversation was never made possible."

"I just don't know what else to do other than hold these two seemingly incompatible things together at the same time and just hope maybe they will one day resolve or co-join themselves, and maybe accept that they never will, but that they can both still be true.
"And I can love her, I can know she loved me, I can be grateful to her, I can know the things that she said [about me] are true, and there can be this whole other thing.
"And my job feels like to just hold all of it. But the bigger thing is just, what she's done will never be taken away from me."

Or you know Emma, perhaps just read the Cass report?

GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 22:29

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:20

Semantics

No.

You obviously like semantics though hence the use of safe spaces instead of single sex spaces.

1offnamechange · 29/09/2025 22:30

AnastasiaBeeverhausen · 29/09/2025 18:09

Oh yes she’s a terrible actress and always has been.

I agree with a PP that the actress who played Lavender would have been a much better choice.

Although I do think that British child actors are in general far inferior to American ones. Look at the standard of the children in Stranger Things for example. Not sure why but British child actors are pretty rubbish.

The lad in Adolescence was quite good, mind.

interesting example as the main actress (Eleven) in stranger things is actually British!

I think there are/were at that time quite a lot of good British child actors - Saoirse Roan got an Oscar nom for Atonement the same year as HP and OoTP, the ones from Game of Thrones were very young when they started, Asa Butterfield from Sex Education who was in The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas and various other things, Thomas Brodie Sangster, Freddie Highmore, Felicity Jones, Nicholas Hoult are all similar ages to the HP lot, were acting from a similar age if not younger, and are still working steadily today, as are most of the ones from Narnia, who were all decent enough...and to be fair some of the other younger actors in HP were fine (Neville, Draco).

Which does make it all the more confusing that with literally every 10-13 year old in the country to choose from them they went for those 3 over enunciating gurners, plus a few honourable mentions in the crap acting stakes (pretty much all the Weasleys).

LegoNinjago · 29/09/2025 22:30

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:15

Ok well she had gender realignment surgery.

Gender is a social construct.
One cannot have surgery to realign it.

People cannot change their biological sex.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 22:32

GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 22:29

No.

You obviously like semantics though hence the use of safe spaces instead of single sex spaces.

Like I said... some interesting posters today.

UpTooLateAgain · 29/09/2025 22:34

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 21:54

Similar in my Sainsbo’s. Stuck out a mile but not actively trying to garner attention. You’re not Scotland are you?!

I'm in central Scotland and saw similar in my local Sainsbury's. Tbf, only once. But tight dress, fish nets, high heels the lot. (Never seen a biological woman in that get up outwith a fancy dress party.) I wanted to roll my eyes but thought that might be fun for him so completely ignored him.

Anyhow, well done J K Rowling. She has been so restrained about all the cowardly treachery in her industry and I am amother one thanking her for standing up for women and girls.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:35

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2025 22:26

How do you surgically realign gender?

Isnt gender a response to social stereotypes / an internal feeling?

What's surgery got to do with that?

Semantics

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 22:36

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:35

Semantics

Mate, you've nuked the fridge.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:36

GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 22:29

No.

You obviously like semantics though hence the use of safe spaces instead of single sex spaces.

Again, semantics

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2025 22:36

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:35

Semantics

What do you think gender is @Hulabalu ?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 22:38

UpTooLateAgain · 29/09/2025 22:34

I'm in central Scotland and saw similar in my local Sainsbury's. Tbf, only once. But tight dress, fish nets, high heels the lot. (Never seen a biological woman in that get up outwith a fancy dress party.) I wanted to roll my eyes but thought that might be fun for him so completely ignored him.

Anyhow, well done J K Rowling. She has been so restrained about all the cowardly treachery in her industry and I am amother one thanking her for standing up for women and girls.

I’m central. Maybe it’s a Sainsbury’s thing!

AnSolas · 29/09/2025 22:39

1offnamechange · 29/09/2025 22:30

interesting example as the main actress (Eleven) in stranger things is actually British!

I think there are/were at that time quite a lot of good British child actors - Saoirse Roan got an Oscar nom for Atonement the same year as HP and OoTP, the ones from Game of Thrones were very young when they started, Asa Butterfield from Sex Education who was in The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas and various other things, Thomas Brodie Sangster, Freddie Highmore, Felicity Jones, Nicholas Hoult are all similar ages to the HP lot, were acting from a similar age if not younger, and are still working steadily today, as are most of the ones from Narnia, who were all decent enough...and to be fair some of the other younger actors in HP were fine (Neville, Draco).

Which does make it all the more confusing that with literally every 10-13 year old in the country to choose from them they went for those 3 over enunciating gurners, plus a few honourable mentions in the crap acting stakes (pretty much all the Weasleys).

Emmmm.....
When did Saoirse Roan get british citizenship?

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 22:40

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 22:38

I’m central. Maybe it’s a Sainsbury’s thing!

My guy was definitely tescos although I normally go to Sainsbury’s

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2025 22:40

Honestly, I think they were mostly chosen because they looked the part. All three of them were awful.

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 22:41

AnSolas · 29/09/2025 22:39

Emmmm.....
When did Saoirse Roan get british citizenship?

Saoirse definitely one of us!

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:41

People on this thread so desperate to argue that they argue with people who actually agree with JKR’s stance on women-only spaces and that a biological man cannot become a biological woman. Sort of people who argue with their own shadow

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 22:42

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:41

People on this thread so desperate to argue that they argue with people who actually agree with JKR’s stance on women-only spaces and that a biological man cannot become a biological woman. Sort of people who argue with their own shadow

They/we are addressing points as you make them. Welcome to a discussion form.

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:45

AnSolas · 29/09/2025 22:28

Can you point out the elements you think are shaming?

Well okay, I’ll analyse it if you like… The most shaming part is the note - this is told in such a way to suggest duplicity, performance, hypocrisy, betrayal, self-interest, immaturity and, worst of all, direct contribution and escalation of the abuse JKR was suffering. She says EW ‘enthusiastically’ participates in eroding women’s rights when we all know that EW considers herself a feminist. She laughs at her pitifully ‘cushioned’ life, lack of experience etc and emphasises how her success is not her own.

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 22:46

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:45

Well okay, I’ll analyse it if you like… The most shaming part is the note - this is told in such a way to suggest duplicity, performance, hypocrisy, betrayal, self-interest, immaturity and, worst of all, direct contribution and escalation of the abuse JKR was suffering. She says EW ‘enthusiastically’ participates in eroding women’s rights when we all know that EW considers herself a feminist. She laughs at her pitifully ‘cushioned’ life, lack of experience etc and emphasises how her success is not her own.

so she was right then?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/09/2025 22:48

I said it on the other EW thread but I do think it bears repeating. At the time EW made her ‘all the witches bar one’ speech and then sent her mimsy little note, JKR was receiving credible threats and seriously worried about her children’s safety.

I would not be able to find it in me to be as gracious as JKR has been to a woman who exacerbated a situation that made me feel my children were in danger

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 29/09/2025 22:49

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:45

Well okay, I’ll analyse it if you like… The most shaming part is the note - this is told in such a way to suggest duplicity, performance, hypocrisy, betrayal, self-interest, immaturity and, worst of all, direct contribution and escalation of the abuse JKR was suffering. She says EW ‘enthusiastically’ participates in eroding women’s rights when we all know that EW considers herself a feminist. She laughs at her pitifully ‘cushioned’ life, lack of experience etc and emphasises how her success is not her own.

You know this is all accurate, right?

EW had behaved shamefully

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 22:50

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 22:46

so she was right then?

I was asked to explain how the response is shaming. I’ve also said from the start that JKR may have been speaking the truth.

Duckduckagogo · 29/09/2025 22:53

Literally all she and Radcliffe had to do was keep their gobs shut. They did not have to defend Rowling while she was being threatened with death, rape and murder, they did not have to say they agreed with Joanne Rowling, they just had to shut their fucking traps. And they couldn't even manage that.

I hope they both vanish from public life completely, just go and buy an island and live on it with all the other bullies and cowards who made public fools of themselves shouting abuse at normal people with uncontroversial and standard views.

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