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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 21:59

WeeGeeBored · 29/09/2025 21:57

I am going to exercise my right to go against the grain and say that JKR’s statement is awful. So vitriolic and bitter. I admired her prior restraint even as I don’t share her views and can’t stand her books.

Ok.

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 21:59

WeeGeeBored · 29/09/2025 21:57

I am going to exercise my right to go against the grain and say that JKR’s statement is awful. So vitriolic and bitter. I admired her prior restraint even as I don’t share her views and can’t stand her books.

i never liked HP but JKR is right. Women’s rights need to be supported.

GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 21:59

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 21:48

Is it not a mental health condition though? Because I really thought that’s what it must be? Surely if you believe you’re the opposite sex that’s MH?

You would get absolutely torn to shreds by TRAs and their allies for saying that in their presence.

MovedByFanciesThatAreCurled · 29/09/2025 22:02

I could not love this woman more.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:03

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 21:50

I'm surprised that a person as totally literal as you has entered this conversation while thinking Watson hasn't said anything about JKR.

However, I'll humour you. I wouldn't necessarily say those words in response in every situation, but I might well think them, and while there might be social or employment consequences, there sure as fuck shouldn't be legal ones. If a man tells me he's a woman, damn right a person ought to be able to think and say "nonsense, category error". You can't order people to believe or respect stuff, even if they have to be discreet about it in some places.

Given that it's the law for employers to provide single sex facilities where necessary, I'd certainly have to say something if a trans identified man asked me why he couldn't enter the women's toilets or changing rooms. What would you suggest that be?

I guess I’d suggest you follow the law at work.

You dont have to believe a man is a woman , just acknowledge they have a MH condition?

same as if a woman told me she was an extra terrestrial or a cat, i wouldn’t be rude to them.

we can protect women while still being compassionate of people’s MH and campaign for women’s rights & safe spaces.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:04

GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 21:59

You would get absolutely torn to shreds by TRAs and their allies for saying that in their presence.

Oh well maybe I should say neurodivergent instead of MH

Clafoutie · 29/09/2025 22:05

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 21:15

But even if that's true, she was happy for everyone in the world to think it was a dig at JKR, including JKR herself. She never denied it or corrected it. So even if it wasn't a dig, it might as well have been.

As I say, I’m not denying it was meant as a dig, but it is important not to misquote someone ( and this was quite a significant misquote), if only not to undermine a position!

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 22:05

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:03

I guess I’d suggest you follow the law at work.

You dont have to believe a man is a woman , just acknowledge they have a MH condition?

same as if a woman told me she was an extra terrestrial or a cat, i wouldn’t be rude to them.

we can protect women while still being compassionate of people’s MH and campaign for women’s rights & safe spaces.

Yes, of course you follow the law at work. So what do you say to the man who wants to know why he can't enter the ladies' when he claims to be a woman?

LegoNinjago · 29/09/2025 22:05

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:32

Extraordinary that you believe this. You know that there are many many trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans.

Raped and murdered by whom?

You’re sooo close to getting it.

BlueLimes · 29/09/2025 22:05

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 21:54

Similar in my Sainsbo’s. Stuck out a mile but not actively trying to garner attention. You’re not Scotland are you?!

No- south. Must be a special shop !

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 22:06

Clafoutie · 29/09/2025 22:05

As I say, I’m not denying it was meant as a dig, but it is important not to misquote someone ( and this was quite a significant misquote), if only not to undermine a position!

It isn't necessarily a misquote. It could well be "bar one". If Watson thought she'd been widely misquoted, she could have clarified.

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 22:07

BlueLimes · 29/09/2025 22:05

No- south. Must be a special shop !

I think that was to me. It was Bangor.

IsThishmmmmm · 29/09/2025 22:09

Jk nailed that, thankful for her good work supporting women

GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 22:12

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:04

Oh well maybe I should say neurodivergent instead of MH

I wouldn't go there if I were you.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:13

hihelenhi · 29/09/2025 21:41

And what is that feeling based on exactly?

And should everyone else in society have to change their knowledge about their own experiences (and be compelled NOT to mention them or reference them in any way) for fear of upsetting that person?

Actual dysphoria, meanwhile is a fairly rare psychiatric condition. I don't think, for example, that the great many self identifying, middle aged "transwomen" brandishing their cocks on Twitter/X and getting stiffies from getting to go into women's spaces unimpeded and relishing the idea of punishing women if they say no are suffering from a debilitating sense of dysphoria or anything like it.

"Trans men", meanwhile, largely appear to be a very different demographic with different issues entirely. Funny that. Almost like your sex and expectations of it rather than your "gender identity" might be the crucial factor here.

I agree there are some perverts out there
however there are non perverts who want to be a different gender. I’ve seen this in children decades ago now. One went on to have sex change as adult . Girl became boy.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 22:14

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:13

I agree there are some perverts out there
however there are non perverts who want to be a different gender. I’ve seen this in children decades ago now. One went on to have sex change as adult . Girl became boy.

No she didn't.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:14

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 22:05

Yes, of course you follow the law at work. So what do you say to the man who wants to know why he can't enter the ladies' when he claims to be a woman?

Whatever is a legally appropriate response at work if work allows it

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:15

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 22:14

No she didn't.

Ok well she had gender realignment surgery.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 22:17

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:14

Whatever is a legally appropriate response at work if work allows it

Right, well thanks for that. In the meantime, provided you abide by the legal protections trans people have, you absolutely are allowed to think "nonsense, category error" about transgenderism and while your contract probably states you have to be polite about it in the office, it's a totally legal viewpoint to hold and express. Think of it as being like a religion, because that's what it is.

Some very interesting posters today.

GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 22:17

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:14

Whatever is a legally appropriate response at work if work allows it

The legally appropriate response has been clarified by the Supreme Court - women's toilets are for women only, not men whatever they may have done to themselves cosmetically, hormonally or surgically - they remain men and the sign on the door that says Women does not include them.

BlueOceanFish · 29/09/2025 22:18

What is gender?

How do you surgically realign it?

I thought gender was a feeling…

BlueOceanFish · 29/09/2025 22:18

Anyway

JKR is bloody amazing!!!!

AllTheMadmen · 29/09/2025 22:19

Jk is just bloody wonderful 🌹😍

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 22:19

BlueOceanFish · 29/09/2025 22:18

Anyway

JKR is bloody amazing!!!!

This! 😍

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:20

BlueOceanFish · 29/09/2025 22:18

What is gender?

How do you surgically realign it?

I thought gender was a feeling…

Semantics

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