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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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nicepotoftea · 29/09/2025 21:40

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 21:36

Oh I agree , I support safe women only spaces. I agree with a lot JKR says. Just don’t know why she’s bashing Emma when Emma hasn’t said anything bad about JKR I don’t think. Just expressed her own views

I think a large part of the problem is Emma's support for people who have expressed a wish that JKR should be raped and murdered.

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 21:41

I was a tomboy in my young years. Although i always knew i was a girl. Tbh a few days ago in Tesco there was a quite elderly man dressed in a skirt and top. With a monks hairdo ie bald in the middle and just some hair around the edges. A big round face. Little granny shoes and ankle socks. Looking around at everyone wanting to be seen. I think there may be some men making people uncomfortable and getting a ‘kick’ out of it. I felt uncomfortable. God knows I’d not have liked to be in a changing room with him.

KateShugakIsALegend · 29/09/2025 21:41

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hihelenhi · 29/09/2025 21:41

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 21:33

This is how I’ve heard it described, a feeling from a very young age that you should have been born a different gender, a feeling that never goes away but increases . If that’s how someone describes it you can’t just reply to them that their feeling is “nonsense, category error” ?

And what is that feeling based on exactly?

And should everyone else in society have to change their knowledge about their own experiences (and be compelled NOT to mention them or reference them in any way) for fear of upsetting that person?

Actual dysphoria, meanwhile is a fairly rare psychiatric condition. I don't think, for example, that the great many self identifying, middle aged "transwomen" brandishing their cocks on Twitter/X and getting stiffies from getting to go into women's spaces unimpeded and relishing the idea of punishing women if they say no are suffering from a debilitating sense of dysphoria or anything like it.

"Trans men", meanwhile, largely appear to be a very different demographic with different issues entirely. Funny that. Almost like your sex and expectations of it rather than your "gender identity" might be the crucial factor here.

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 21:42

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 21:41

I was a tomboy in my young years. Although i always knew i was a girl. Tbh a few days ago in Tesco there was a quite elderly man dressed in a skirt and top. With a monks hairdo ie bald in the middle and just some hair around the edges. A big round face. Little granny shoes and ankle socks. Looking around at everyone wanting to be seen. I think there may be some men making people uncomfortable and getting a ‘kick’ out of it. I felt uncomfortable. God knows I’d not have liked to be in a changing room with him.

He was obviously the only person in Tesco that i saw in skirt and top. Or even a dress. Maybe only actual biological men dress that way these days.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 21:43

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 21:37

Of course you can if you're not their therapist. You aren't obliged to have any particular feelings about their condition or belief or any particular reaction to it except of course not to attack them or illegally discriminate against them.

You can very legally keep them out of spaces for people of the sex they're not but that's nothing to do with being trans, it's to do with being male or female.

so if a colleague said such a thing then you’d reply “ nonsense , error”. You’d quickly find yourself fired. If a friend was highly distressed and told they felt a certain way that your mind couldn’t understand , would you say “ nonsense error”. No , because everyone deserves a bit of compassion, they’re human beings suffering , call it a mental health condition.
Safe women only spaces are a must but that’s not the point I am making .

KateShugakIsALegend · 29/09/2025 21:45

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 21:43

so if a colleague said such a thing then you’d reply “ nonsense , error”. You’d quickly find yourself fired. If a friend was highly distressed and told they felt a certain way that your mind couldn’t understand , would you say “ nonsense error”. No , because everyone deserves a bit of compassion, they’re human beings suffering , call it a mental health condition.
Safe women only spaces are a must but that’s not the point I am making .

I think you are (deliberately?) mixing up

  • having compassion for someone 's mental health issues
With
  • indulging their belief that a man is a woman, with all of the negative impacts on women that follow
BlueLimes · 29/09/2025 21:45

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 21:42

He was obviously the only person in Tesco that i saw in skirt and top. Or even a dress. Maybe only actual biological men dress that way these days.

Similar in sainsburys recently - tbf wasn’t trying to get attention. But 60s, very tall, with flowery top and skirt of a style from about 40 years ago - the choice of clothing is odd..

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 21:46

KateShugakIsALegend · 29/09/2025 21:31

It sounds an awful lot like a mental health issue to me, where you have a fully functioning body with no physical issues.

Yes I agree

Terfarina · 29/09/2025 21:46

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 21:41

I was a tomboy in my young years. Although i always knew i was a girl. Tbh a few days ago in Tesco there was a quite elderly man dressed in a skirt and top. With a monks hairdo ie bald in the middle and just some hair around the edges. A big round face. Little granny shoes and ankle socks. Looking around at everyone wanting to be seen. I think there may be some men making people uncomfortable and getting a ‘kick’ out of it. I felt uncomfortable. God knows I’d not have liked to be in a changing room with him.

if you have a strong stomach google autogynephilia - that'll help you understand this dude's motivations

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 21:48

I do understand. It’s why i hate it.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 21:48

KateShugakIsALegend · 29/09/2025 21:45

I think you are (deliberately?) mixing up

  • having compassion for someone 's mental health issues
With
  • indulging their belief that a man is a woman, with all of the negative impacts on women that follow

Is it not a mental health condition though? Because I really thought that’s what it must be? Surely if you believe you’re the opposite sex that’s MH?

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 21:50

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 21:43

so if a colleague said such a thing then you’d reply “ nonsense , error”. You’d quickly find yourself fired. If a friend was highly distressed and told they felt a certain way that your mind couldn’t understand , would you say “ nonsense error”. No , because everyone deserves a bit of compassion, they’re human beings suffering , call it a mental health condition.
Safe women only spaces are a must but that’s not the point I am making .

I'm surprised that a person as totally literal as you has entered this conversation while thinking Watson hasn't said anything about JKR.

However, I'll humour you. I wouldn't necessarily say those words in response in every situation, but I might well think them, and while there might be social or employment consequences, there sure as fuck shouldn't be legal ones. If a man tells me he's a woman, damn right a person ought to be able to think and say "nonsense, category error". You can't order people to believe or respect stuff, even if they have to be discreet about it in some places.

Given that it's the law for employers to provide single sex facilities where necessary, I'd certainly have to say something if a trans identified man asked me why he couldn't enter the women's toilets or changing rooms. What would you suggest that be?

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 21:50

To those who say EW hasn’t been bashed, the rhetoric on this thread says otherwise: many here are specifically celebrating her roasting, and that she has been ‘put in her place’. Now sure how feminist it is to crow over the public shaming of a woman for her ‘behaviour’????

Terfarina · 29/09/2025 21:51

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 21:33

This is how I’ve heard it described, a feeling from a very young age that you should have been born a different gender, a feeling that never goes away but increases . If that’s how someone describes it you can’t just reply to them that their feeling is “nonsense, category error” ?

But gender is a socially constructed category - the cliches that girls like pink and sparkles and boys like dinosaurs and blue.

Can't you see how regressive it is to think - or encourage children to think - that if you like the things in the pink box if you are a boy then you were born in the wrong body?

(I am feeling like it is 2017 typing this stuff)

Horses7 · 29/09/2025 21:52

Well done JKR !

BlueLimes · 29/09/2025 21:52

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 21:50

To those who say EW hasn’t been bashed, the rhetoric on this thread says otherwise: many here are specifically celebrating her roasting, and that she has been ‘put in her place’. Now sure how feminist it is to crow over the public shaming of a woman for her ‘behaviour’????

Or learning there are consequences to actions and words.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 21:52

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 21:50

To those who say EW hasn’t been bashed, the rhetoric on this thread says otherwise: many here are specifically celebrating her roasting, and that she has been ‘put in her place’. Now sure how feminist it is to crow over the public shaming of a woman for her ‘behaviour’????

It's more feminist than trying to get men into women's spaces, or trying to shut women up under a guise of earnestness.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 21:52

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 21:50

To those who say EW hasn’t been bashed, the rhetoric on this thread says otherwise: many here are specifically celebrating her roasting, and that she has been ‘put in her place’. Now sure how feminist it is to crow over the public shaming of a woman for her ‘behaviour’????

Why shouldn’t a woman be held accountable for her behaviour?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 21:54

BlueLimes · 29/09/2025 21:45

Similar in sainsburys recently - tbf wasn’t trying to get attention. But 60s, very tall, with flowery top and skirt of a style from about 40 years ago - the choice of clothing is odd..

Similar in my Sainsbo’s. Stuck out a mile but not actively trying to garner attention. You’re not Scotland are you?!

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 21:55

Also, are we agreed that Emma made the witches comment and encouraged people to donate to mermaids (I’m assuming she believed this to be a charitable cause at the time) and these are the sole examples of how she has directly attacked JK previously?

LindorDoubleChoc · 29/09/2025 21:57

I think JKR could have said a great deal less and got her point across much better. I'm a big fan but not on this particular occasion. If she'd only left it at "I wouldn't want any of them to suffer threats of violence" etc.

Namechanged555 · 29/09/2025 21:57

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 21:52

Why shouldn’t a woman be held accountable for her behaviour?

EW behaved appallingly. From my perspective. A lot of our ‘young’ people have. I think tbh they have been brainwashed by a very troubling ideology. Gender ideology makes no sense and was pushed by people with a very bad agenda. How did they do that? I don’t know. Powerful people grooming very young kids? Then the really awful guys that jumped on that knowing they could not be challenged. Very troubling.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 21:57

Terfarina · 29/09/2025 21:51

But gender is a socially constructed category - the cliches that girls like pink and sparkles and boys like dinosaurs and blue.

Can't you see how regressive it is to think - or encourage children to think - that if you like the things in the pink box if you are a boy then you were born in the wrong body?

(I am feeling like it is 2017 typing this stuff)

I agree but I thought it was a mental health condition , like gender dysmorphia?

WeeGeeBored · 29/09/2025 21:57

I am going to exercise my right to go against the grain and say that JKR’s statement is awful. So vitriolic and bitter. I admired her prior restraint even as I don’t share her views and can’t stand her books.

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