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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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DrBlackbird · 29/09/2025 20:38

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 18:58

Emma Watson is 35, not 17.
She is an adult, university educated woman. She knows what she's saying, and that is her responsibility alone.
Why older women should have more responsibility is ageist, surely?

Not meant to be ageist but to reflect life experience as women intimately aware of the limitations and vulnerability of a female body.

Many many university educated young women believe this ridiculousness and are encouraged to believe it by many university faculty who has believe theyre beingkind but also haven’t the experience or wit to imagine what vulnerabilities less privileged women face in prisons or refuges or rape relief centres. TWAW is still reinforced in many places and I just wish everyone was required to read FWR.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 29/09/2025 20:42

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 18:32

I understand everything JK is saying and agree with her. But is it really necessary to publicly eviscerate someone? Isn’t this exactly what JK is accusing Emma of doing to her? Haven’t we all made mistake in our lives, big and small that deserve forgiveness?

I must have missed Emma’s heartfelt apology to JKR, where she owns up to the fact that she undoubtedly encouraged some of the kidnap, rape and death threats that JKR received, whilst also publicly admitting donating to a charity, run by a woman, who’s 16th birthday present for her son was a full medical ‘sex change’ in Thailand, could you maybe post a link to it?

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 20:43

DrBlackbird · 29/09/2025 20:38

Not meant to be ageist but to reflect life experience as women intimately aware of the limitations and vulnerability of a female body.

Many many university educated young women believe this ridiculousness and are encouraged to believe it by many university faculty who has believe theyre beingkind but also haven’t the experience or wit to imagine what vulnerabilities less privileged women face in prisons or refuges or rape relief centres. TWAW is still reinforced in many places and I just wish everyone was required to read FWR.

Emma Watson is 35.
I do not know why you are infantilising her.
At 35, I was a manager at work, a parent, the main bread winner and a Trade Union Rep. I'm sure most of the posters on here had similar, or greater responsibilities at a similar age, or even younger.
She alone is responsible for what she is saying and it's not up to "older women" to excuse her for that.
I am sure that you did not mean to be ageist, and I agree with you about FWR!

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 29/09/2025 20:43

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:32

Extraordinary that you believe this. You know that there are many many trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans.

Interruptaron incoming.

JK on Emma Watson
Futurehappiness · 29/09/2025 20:45

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 29/09/2025 20:33

That’s a lot of ifs, buts and maybes. Watson IS privileged, she HAS been brought up in a rarefied environment, she WILL never have to use any form of public toilets, hospital or rape crisis centre, she IS insulated from all of the situations that ordinary women find themselves in every day. JKR has stated the truth specifically about EW, she’s made no comment about anyone else.

EW stated in a recent podcast that she has received a 6 month driving ban because she has been caught speeding four times in quick succession, her excuse being that she finds it difficult to remember not to speed because she’s always been driven everywhere. If that isn’t pure entitlement then I don’t know what is.

EW's excuses for her multiple speeding offences made me feel slightly sick actually. And I am not even one of the many many people who have lost loved ones to speeding drivers.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 29/09/2025 20:45

Nah she sounds like a boomer mum whose thinly disguising her "how dare you criticize me when I put a roof over your head!' with a long spiel. Very bitter vibes. There was no need.
Emma talks about it BECAUSE SHE GETS CONSTANTLY ASKED ABOUT IT online and by media outlets.

Ariana12 · 29/09/2025 20:48

Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

Thank you so much for posting this. JKR never fails to impress!

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 20:48

Athreedoorwardrobe · 29/09/2025 20:45

Nah she sounds like a boomer mum whose thinly disguising her "how dare you criticize me when I put a roof over your head!' with a long spiel. Very bitter vibes. There was no need.
Emma talks about it BECAUSE SHE GETS CONSTANTLY ASKED ABOUT IT online and by media outlets.

Hey. Pssst. Wanna buy a bridge?

hihelenhi · 29/09/2025 20:56

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 20:36

Hang on though
All Emma Watson has done is say she stands for trans rights
she hasn’t said a word about jk Rowling .
is she supposed to not have a voice because she doesn’t share same opinion as another woman ?
i am not saying jk r Rowling view is wrong. I want women to be safe and have female only spaces .
I also feel sympathy for people who feel they’ve been born in wrong body gender .

No. She has spoken about JK Rowling - in fact she's doing it now. And was happy to pointedly make her views known (that, when JK was getting death and rape threats, she made that "witches" comment and accepted all the glorification that came with having made it and what it meant). She also very pointedly linked to Mermaids in response.

She hasn't expressed any interest or curiosity whatsoever in what JK had to say about women's rights and the experiences of abused women (which JK was herself). Just happy to jump on the 'she's a bad person' bandwagon, and help vilify her publicly.

Sorry, but she's behaved like an absolute brat. So has Radcliffe. Tom Felton on the other hand has shown a great deal more maturity and has avoided jumping on the bandwagon. Others have too even if they disagreed with her.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 20:56

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 20:36

Hang on though
All Emma Watson has done is say she stands for trans rights
she hasn’t said a word about jk Rowling .
is she supposed to not have a voice because she doesn’t share same opinion as another woman ?
i am not saying jk r Rowling view is wrong. I want women to be safe and have female only spaces .
I also feel sympathy for people who feel they’ve been born in wrong body gender .

What am I missing please

Blinkingbother · 29/09/2025 20:56

Emma Watson is a near middle aged woman still behaving like an indoctrinated teen (please note her recent driving escapades, their consequences & her ridiculous excuses as supplementary evidence). She should absolutely be able to take what she dishes.

Sparks654 · 29/09/2025 20:57

Citrusbergamia · 29/09/2025 13:10

A perfect response.

(JKR's response has been mentioned on another thread on here btw - Well, hello Emma Watson | Mumsnet)

Such a brave women..I truly hope this ludicrous ideology fades soon..

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 29/09/2025 20:58

Athreedoorwardrobe · 29/09/2025 20:45

Nah she sounds like a boomer mum whose thinly disguising her "how dare you criticize me when I put a roof over your head!' with a long spiel. Very bitter vibes. There was no need.
Emma talks about it BECAUSE SHE GETS CONSTANTLY ASKED ABOUT IT online and by media outlets.

She hasn’t been constantly asked about anything for seven years as she’s been out of work. Funny as soon as she needs a bit of publicity the first person she mentions is one of the most famous women in the world. Also, JKR is too young to be a ‘boomer’.

AliceMaforethought · 29/09/2025 21:09

EW is a fool. Now neither 'side' will want anything to do with her.

CoffeeCantata · 29/09/2025 21:09

MrsTerryPratchett · 29/09/2025 14:46

The note, she’s right, was a terrible thing. Implying that EW knew the witch hunt was wrong, knew JK was being hounded, and just wanted to be ‘right’ so badly she didn’t care enough to be measured and balanced. Which is pretty revolting.

And while I agree with JK and @1offnamechangethat they don’t owe her fealty, they do owe her the start of their multi-million pound careers. And a couple of them have gone out of their way to not just support the ‘side’ they support, but to denigrate her personally.

This movement has always reminded me of the cultural revolution in China with its hatred of the Olds, and children attacking their elders, and extreme virtue signalling. This is a perfect example.

100%

Also, I’m so relieved that JK hasn’t gone soft in the head and forgiven EW. Forgiveness is overrated in my opinion and it’s good for someone like EW to be made to feel uncomfortable about her past cowardly behaviour. I hope she has a jolly good think and reflects on her nasty public utterances.

Personally I cringe when actors get political. They’re just actors- why should their (usually superficial, trendy and virtue-signalling) views carry the slightest bit of weight?

Clafoutie · 29/09/2025 21:10

REP22 · 29/09/2025 14:19

Class and dignity, as ever. Love JKR. EW's "all witches... except one." petty aside was glib and nasty. That JKR can speak of it so tolerantly says more about her than any deluded snipe to jeering crowds will ever say.

I thought Emma Watson had said “I’m here for all the witches, by the way” ( not “except one”) ?
I’m not suggesting this wasn’t a dig at JKR, but it seems a important to be accurate about what was said.

AnastasiaBeeverhausen · 29/09/2025 21:11

Futurehappiness · 29/09/2025 20:45

EW's excuses for her multiple speeding offences made me feel slightly sick actually. And I am not even one of the many many people who have lost loved ones to speeding drivers.

It’s a pathetic excuse anyway. What’s she even on about? EVERYONE has to rely on being driven around by other people until
they learn to drive.

FunMustard · 29/09/2025 21:11

Ohhellnooo · 29/09/2025 13:12

Wow. That’s a fantastic response. I hope that makes people think.

It does not.

The responses on Reddit and Facebook are just as fucking ridiculous and unhinged as you can imagine.

Terfarina · 29/09/2025 21:13

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 20:36

Hang on though
All Emma Watson has done is say she stands for trans rights
she hasn’t said a word about jk Rowling .
is she supposed to not have a voice because she doesn’t share same opinion as another woman ?
i am not saying jk r Rowling view is wrong. I want women to be safe and have female only spaces .
I also feel sympathy for people who feel they’ve been born in wrong body gender .

Please let me know how it is possible to be born in the wrong body. How do I know if I am a man or a woman?

nicepotoftea · 29/09/2025 21:13

KnottyAuty · 29/09/2025 20:21

Eviscerate is a bit hyperbolic don’t you think?

Emma Watson has unfortunately been a proud advocate for Mermaids (before their disgrace and investigation by the Charity Commission). Why on earth are you worried about her “humiliation” when she’s advocated for the mutilation and sterilisation of children?

Your “be kind” post is really weird in this context so I’ll assume you weren’t aware…

Edited

I forgot she recommended making donations to Mermaids.

Newsnight reporters had already raised concerns about the Tavistock in 2019 - didn't that include the concern that undue pressure was being put on clinicians by Mermaids?

Rowling was clear that she was concerned about the clinic in her 2020 essay, and subsequent events proved her right - but Watson recommended donations to Mermaids on the day Rowling published the essay.

I can't really fathom what she thought she was doing.

Was she living in America at the time?

KateShugakIsALegend · 29/09/2025 21:13

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:32

Extraordinary that you believe this. You know that there are many many trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans.

Just checking in for the update when @tandora cites some facts on this claim

KateShugakIsALegend · 29/09/2025 21:15

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 20:56

What am I missing please

You are missing the fact that your third sentence is incorrect, for starters.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 21:15

Clafoutie · 29/09/2025 21:10

I thought Emma Watson had said “I’m here for all the witches, by the way” ( not “except one”) ?
I’m not suggesting this wasn’t a dig at JKR, but it seems a important to be accurate about what was said.

But even if that's true, she was happy for everyone in the world to think it was a dig at JKR, including JKR herself. She never denied it or corrected it. So even if it wasn't a dig, it might as well have been.

nicepotoftea · 29/09/2025 21:15

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 20:56

What am I missing please

The Cass report for one.

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2025 21:17

God, but that response was absolute perfection.

Emma is the most clueless, privileged airhead imaginable. So many of the other child stars demonstrated so much more grace and wisdom than she did.

Not Dan though, he was every bit as bad.

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