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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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Yawhat · 29/09/2025 20:10

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 19:41

Yeah, I don’t understand it.

Women are allowed to talk but Ts and Cs apply.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 29/09/2025 20:11

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:10

I got Joanna’s point. I responded to one specific point. Because this time of class warriorism is incredibly lazy.

You get her point but still can’t get her name right

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 20:13

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:10

I got Joanna’s point. I responded to one specific point. Because this time of class warriorism is incredibly lazy.

Is this where you guys are at now? Trying to make out that it's "lazy" to note that a woman who doesn't need certain protections isn't in a position to try to strip them from other women who do?

What is this, take a negative adjective at random and just throw it in there like drunken darts in the hope it'll stick? The irony of starting with laziness!

nicepotoftea · 29/09/2025 20:14

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:07

”So what you think is….”

🙄

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I just feel you are being unnecessarily harsh on Emma Watson.

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:15

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 19:59

Does Joanna really think there are no working class people who disagree with her stance on trans issues?

Don't be ridiculous. She's not speaking for working class women. She's making the point that since childhood, Watson has been privileged enough not to need many of the protections that less privileged women do. That some working class women might be prepared to do without those protections too, and willing to strip them from other women too, is entirely beside the point.

But that’s the issue. She absolutely is implying that Emma’s socio-economic has shielded her from certain things and thus influences her stance. But there is no evidence that if Emma had “lived in poverty”, used public toilets, been to prison, used leisure centre changing rooms that her stance would be any different. It’s a lazy argument but one that is everywhere now on multiple social topics.

Essentially dismissing somebody as too privileged to have a fully formed view. And what of poor women who agree with Watson? Where do they sit?

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:15

nicepotoftea · 29/09/2025 20:14

🙄

I just feel you are being unnecessarily harsh on Emma Watson.

Ok. 🥱

hihelenhi · 29/09/2025 20:16

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:10

I got Joanna’s point. I responded to one specific point. Because this time of class warriorism is incredibly lazy.

Who's "Joanna?"

JK Rowling's first name is Joanne. Very lazy not to know that.

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:17

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 20:13

Is this where you guys are at now? Trying to make out that it's "lazy" to note that a woman who doesn't need certain protections isn't in a position to try to strip them from other women who do?

What is this, take a negative adjective at random and just throw it in there like drunken darts in the hope it'll stick? The irony of starting with laziness!

Who is “You Guys”. It’s lazy to dismiss somebody’s view on something because they are too “privileged” to get it. And also ignores that there are plenty of people without these privileges who still share Watson’s view. They do exist.

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 20:19

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:15

But that’s the issue. She absolutely is implying that Emma’s socio-economic has shielded her from certain things and thus influences her stance. But there is no evidence that if Emma had “lived in poverty”, used public toilets, been to prison, used leisure centre changing rooms that her stance would be any different. It’s a lazy argument but one that is everywhere now on multiple social topics.

Essentially dismissing somebody as too privileged to have a fully formed view. And what of poor women who agree with Watson? Where do they sit?

She absolutely is implying that Emma’s socio-economic has shielded her from certain things and thus influences her stance.

Yes, of course she is. Because it's true. Never needing these protections makes it far more likely that a person won't value them or understand why they're needed. As someone who has experienced domestic violence and poverty, JKR does understand why women need them and she doesn't appreciate Watson trying to take them away from women in the position JKR was once in.

Working class women who agree with Watson are far less common than privileged ones because it's the epitome of luxury belief, but they're allowed to disagree, so what? JKR isn't speaking for all working class women, she's pointing out that women as a class need these protections even if the Watsons don't and some poorer women don't think they need them.

What, now women can't speak unless all women agree with them? Try harder, mate.

KnottyAuty · 29/09/2025 20:21

Teachermum81 · 29/09/2025 18:32

I understand everything JK is saying and agree with her. But is it really necessary to publicly eviscerate someone? Isn’t this exactly what JK is accusing Emma of doing to her? Haven’t we all made mistake in our lives, big and small that deserve forgiveness?

Eviscerate is a bit hyperbolic don’t you think?

Emma Watson has unfortunately been a proud advocate for Mermaids (before their disgrace and investigation by the Charity Commission). Why on earth are you worried about her “humiliation” when she’s advocated for the mutilation and sterilisation of children?

Your “be kind” post is really weird in this context so I’ll assume you weren’t aware…

JK on Emma Watson
AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 20:21

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:15

But that’s the issue. She absolutely is implying that Emma’s socio-economic has shielded her from certain things and thus influences her stance. But there is no evidence that if Emma had “lived in poverty”, used public toilets, been to prison, used leisure centre changing rooms that her stance would be any different. It’s a lazy argument but one that is everywhere now on multiple social topics.

Essentially dismissing somebody as too privileged to have a fully formed view. And what of poor women who agree with Watson? Where do they sit?

What demographic is more likely to go to prison? Use a public funded rape crisis group (and not private therapy), use a council funded swimming pool/gym and not a £500 a month gym. Is it working class, or privileged folk like Ms Watson who
can afford the alternative that less privileged people
can't so is unable to see from their perspective and where not being able to access single sex spaces may present a problem.

JoannE is not ‘implying’ it, she’s stating it as it’s fact. If you don’t get it then that’s a you issue. Plenty of people do.

SussOrNotSuss · 29/09/2025 20:22

👏👏👏JKR

Emma comes across like she has had too much navel gazing American 'Therapy' 😂What an embarrassment. I hate hypocrisy and people who act all pseudo empathetic but are out only for their self interest. Bleurgh.

CorvusPurpureus · 29/09/2025 20:23

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:15

But that’s the issue. She absolutely is implying that Emma’s socio-economic has shielded her from certain things and thus influences her stance. But there is no evidence that if Emma had “lived in poverty”, used public toilets, been to prison, used leisure centre changing rooms that her stance would be any different. It’s a lazy argument but one that is everywhere now on multiple social topics.

Essentially dismissing somebody as too privileged to have a fully formed view. And what of poor women who agree with Watson? Where do they sit?

No. She makes no comment on Watson's socio-economic background, rather she points out that Watson's peculiar circumstances as a child actress in a hugely successful franchise have left her bubbled beyond belief.

That would equally apply whatever Watson's background previous to her casting in HP.

askmenow · 29/09/2025 20:23

Emma Watson and her synchophantic cronies are the dirt on JK’s shoes. 💪

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 29/09/2025 20:24

Another simpering, mediocre celebrity being owned body and soul by the fabulous, erudite, JKR. When will they learn?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 29/09/2025 20:24

That’s a wonderful response from JKR. It must have been very hard to write, and very hard to go through everything she discusses here. Good on her.

AnSolas · 29/09/2025 20:25

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:15

But that’s the issue. She absolutely is implying that Emma’s socio-economic has shielded her from certain things and thus influences her stance. But there is no evidence that if Emma had “lived in poverty”, used public toilets, been to prison, used leisure centre changing rooms that her stance would be any different. It’s a lazy argument but one that is everywhere now on multiple social topics.

Essentially dismissing somebody as too privileged to have a fully formed view. And what of poor women who agree with Watson? Where do they sit?

Errr nope
JKR said :
Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is.

She'll never need a homeless shelter.

She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward.

I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood.

Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door.

Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool?

Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service?

To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

hihelenhi · 29/09/2025 20:25

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:15

But that’s the issue. She absolutely is implying that Emma’s socio-economic has shielded her from certain things and thus influences her stance. But there is no evidence that if Emma had “lived in poverty”, used public toilets, been to prison, used leisure centre changing rooms that her stance would be any different. It’s a lazy argument but one that is everywhere now on multiple social topics.

Essentially dismissing somebody as too privileged to have a fully formed view. And what of poor women who agree with Watson? Where do they sit?

Well, Emma is immensely privileged. It HAS shielded her from certain things (and yes, it's often rather sheltered women without experience of these things who spout TWAW) . She is incredibly cossetted and opines on things she literally has no experience of at all. She has also not grown up in the environment that most women have.She certainly hasn't had the experiences (of domestic abuse, single motherhood on the poverty line) that JK Rowling has.

And yet she was happy, gleeful even, to directly feed the abuse against her, the woman who MADE her rich, and denounce her publicly and pointedly, for popularity points, because it was fashionable to do so when that woman was receiving horrific abuse and death threats, ffs. for her views on women's rights especially the rights of vulnerable women who are in situations that she herself had been in, that Emma never has and likely never will do Views which have been lied about extensively and repeatedly.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 20:27

AnSolas · 29/09/2025 20:25

Errr nope
JKR said :
Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is.

She'll never need a homeless shelter.

She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward.

I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood.

Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door.

Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool?

Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service?

To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

It’s mental! Do people who love to bash JKR actually ever read and properly digest what she’s actually wrote before they fall over their selves to try and discredit her. It’s quite embarrassing.

KnottyAuty · 29/09/2025 20:30

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 20:27

It’s mental! Do people who love to bash JKR actually ever read and properly digest what she’s actually wrote before they fall over their selves to try and discredit her. It’s quite embarrassing.

Yes. No. Yes!

hihelenhi · 29/09/2025 20:31

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:17

Who is “You Guys”. It’s lazy to dismiss somebody’s view on something because they are too “privileged” to get it. And also ignores that there are plenty of people without these privileges who still share Watson’s view. They do exist.

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It's also incredibly lazy to repeatedly keep dismissing everyone else's opinion as "lazy" because you don't agree with it. Some people ARE too privileged to comprehend or ever experience what those who are less privileged than themselves have experienced. Do all differing opinions on those matters necessarily hold equal weight? I mean, are you implying that someone without experience is someone you would listen to more than someone with experience simply on the basis they are of higher socio economic status for example?

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 29/09/2025 20:33

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:15

But that’s the issue. She absolutely is implying that Emma’s socio-economic has shielded her from certain things and thus influences her stance. But there is no evidence that if Emma had “lived in poverty”, used public toilets, been to prison, used leisure centre changing rooms that her stance would be any different. It’s a lazy argument but one that is everywhere now on multiple social topics.

Essentially dismissing somebody as too privileged to have a fully formed view. And what of poor women who agree with Watson? Where do they sit?

That’s a lot of ifs, buts and maybes. Watson IS privileged, she HAS been brought up in a rarefied environment, she WILL never have to use any form of public toilets, hospital or rape crisis centre, she IS insulated from all of the situations that ordinary women find themselves in every day. JKR has stated the truth specifically about EW, she’s made no comment about anyone else.

EW stated in a recent podcast that she has received a 6 month driving ban because she has been caught speeding four times in quick succession, her excuse being that she finds it difficult to remember not to speed because she’s always been driven everywhere. If that isn’t pure entitlement then I don’t know what is.

AnastasiaBeeverhausen · 29/09/2025 20:35

The13thFairy · 29/09/2025 19:48

You needed a court ruling to confirm that her views weren't based on bigotry? Well I never.

Staggering isn’t it.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 20:36

Hang on though
All Emma Watson has done is say she stands for trans rights
she hasn’t said a word about jk Rowling .
is she supposed to not have a voice because she doesn’t share same opinion as another woman ?
i am not saying jk r Rowling view is wrong. I want women to be safe and have female only spaces .
I also feel sympathy for people who feel they’ve been born in wrong body gender .

Mydahliasareshit · 29/09/2025 20:37

What a woman.
i hope to never see Watson on my screen again.
Ignorant of how ignorant she is is perfect.

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