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JK on Emma Watson

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Lowarnes · 29/09/2025 13:08

A stunningly perfect response to Watson’s recent comments. Haven’t seen a thread on this so thought I’d post below:

”I'm seeing quite a bit of comment about this, so I want to make a couple of points.

I'm not owed eternal agreement from any actor who once played a character I created. The idea is as ludicrous as me checking with the boss I had when I was twenty-one for what opinions I should hold these days.

Emma Watson and her co-stars have every right to embrace gender identity ideology. Such beliefs are legally protected, and I wouldn't want to see any of them threatened with loss of work, or violence, or death, because of them.

However, Emma and Dan in particular have both made it clear over the last few years that they think our former professional association gives them a particular right - nay, obligation - to critique me and my views in public. Years after they finished acting in Potter, they continue to assume the role of de facto spokespeople for the world I created.

When you've known people since they were ten years old it's hard to shake a certain protectiveness. Until quite recently, I hadn't managed to throw off the memory of children who needed to be gently coaxed through their dialogue in a big scary film studio. For the past few years, I've repeatedly declined invitations from journalists to comment on Emma specifically, most notably on the Witch Trials of JK Rowling. Ironically, I told the producers that I didn't want her to be hounded as the result of anything I said.

The television presenter in the attached clip highlights Emma's 'all witches' speech, and in truth, that was a turning point for me, but it had a postscript that hurt far more than the speech itself. Emma asked someone to pass on a handwritten note from her to me, which contained the single sentence 'I'm so sorry for what you're going through' (she has my phone number). This was back when the death, rape and torture threats against me were at their peak, at a time when my personal security measures had had to be tightened considerably and I was constantly worried for my family's safety. Emma had just publicly poured more petrol on the flames, yet thought a one line expression of concern from her would reassure me of her fundamental sympathy and kindness.

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

I wasn't a multimillionaire at fourteen. I lived in poverty while writing the book that made Emma famous. I therefore understand from my own life experience what the trashing of women's rights in which Emma has so enthusiastically participated means to women and girls without her privileges.

The greatest irony here is that, had Emma not decided in her most recent interview to declare that she loves and treasures me - a change of tack I suspect she's adopted because she's noticed full-throated condemnation of me is no longer quite as fashionable as it was - I might never have been this honest.

Adults can't expect to cosy up to an activist movement that regularly calls for a friend's assassination, then assert their right to the former friend's love, as though the friend was in fact their mother. Emma is rightly free to disagree with me and indeed to discuss her feelings about me in public - but I have the same right, and I've finally decided to exercise it.”

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GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 19:40

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 19:30

Is it me, or are we getting more posters recently who agree with what JKR says but think she's terrible for saying it, and are gender critical but think GCs should never speak either?

I am just waiting for the It's not what she/you say it's the way that she/you say it tone policing next.

So many traps set for women to either (a) stop them speaking and/or (b) not listen or hear what they say.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 19:41

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 19:30

Is it me, or are we getting more posters recently who agree with what JKR says but think she's terrible for saying it, and are gender critical but think GCs should never speak either?

Yeah, I don’t understand it.

ButIlikepink · 29/09/2025 19:43

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:32

Extraordinary that you believe this. You know that there are many many trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans.

Names, towns, Police who are investigating Please.
Unless you are writing fiction?

lizziebuck · 29/09/2025 19:45

PepeParapluie · 29/09/2025 13:16

I never fail to be impressed with how JKR expresses herself.

Me too. I consider myself quite articulate but she is just so incredibly eloquent.

AnSolas · 29/09/2025 19:46

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 19:30

Is it me, or are we getting more posters recently who agree with what JKR says but think she's terrible for saying it, and are gender critical but think GCs should never speak either?

Tone police by "BeKind" or "I agree but its not ok to say it out loud"?
I have spotted some of that in real life too not "baby" GC who did not care but from"baby" GC exTR allies who see themselves on the naughty step.

And some swap the drive by to a drive around block scolding😉

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 19:47

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 19:41

Yeah, I don’t understand it.

If I were a cynical and embittered old fart, I'd think it was because they know JKR/GCs are right but don't like it, and therefore are trying to shut us all up under the guise of calling for dignity and class and kindness. Because those, apparently, are all precluded by women exercising their right to speak and respond. Dignified, classy, kind women never speak when it annoys someone.

If I were a cynical and embittered old fart.

newbebe · 29/09/2025 19:48

Love JKR, great response.😃

The13thFairy · 29/09/2025 19:48

Spookyspaghetti · 29/09/2025 16:47

I think it’s incredibly sad for them both. While I support women’s only spaces, and agree that JK has mostly been vilified for standing up for less fortunate women, now that the court ruling has confirmed her views weren’t based on bigotry, I think she needs to try and more forward with her life again and not keep getting dragged into DM clickbait during interviews. Otherwise she will never heal or move forward from this.

You needed a court ruling to confirm that her views weren't based on bigotry? Well I never.

FarmersWifeOf30Years · 29/09/2025 19:50

What a fabulous response

KnottyAuty · 29/09/2025 19:52

Tandora · 29/09/2025 18:32

Extraordinary that you believe this. You know that there are many many trans people who are actually raped and murdered for being trans.

Obviously I’m not suggesting there is a zero harm environment for all. Can you please evidence your statement above? And attempt to quantify the “risk” to both “groups” so we can compare? The usual way is to take volume/incidence x seriousness/outcome. This is a ghastly metric but is a standard way of assessing risk of injury/death in relation to hazards/security risk.

The13thFairy · 29/09/2025 19:55

You don't have to be intelligent to go to Oxford these days - renowned dimwit George Abaraonye managed it.

JHound · 29/09/2025 19:56

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

What’s with so many privileged people playing the “man/woman of the people” class card?

There is no evidence that Emma’s views would be different if she was poor. Does Joanna really think there are no working class people who disagree with her stance on trans issues? It’s such a lazy argument and one that is everywhere right now. Class warriors.

SerafinasGoose · 29/09/2025 19:58

GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 19:40

I am just waiting for the It's not what she/you say it's the way that she/you say it tone policing next.

So many traps set for women to either (a) stop them speaking and/or (b) not listen or hear what they say.

Ah, yes. The Bananarama Defence, as it's now been rechristened in the Peggie case.

Usually indicates a shifting of goal posts and is trotted out when people are asked to justify why someone's statement is bad, and why they're such a terrible person for saying it. Ego question: 'JKR is an appalling person: discuss' - vs. 'but what did she actually say?'

As a signal that someone has no argument beyond regurgitating the BS they've heard from uninformed sources, it's as good as a bell around their necks.

Yachties · 29/09/2025 19:59

Great response and Emma should reflect. JK is right that EW will never have to experience the shared spaces that women are trying to protect

ThatCyanCat · 29/09/2025 19:59

JHound · 29/09/2025 19:56

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

What’s with so many privileged people playing the “man/woman of the people” class card?

There is no evidence that Emma’s views would be different if she was poor. Does Joanna really think there are no working class people who disagree with her stance on trans issues? It’s such a lazy argument and one that is everywhere right now. Class warriors.

Does Joanna really think there are no working class people who disagree with her stance on trans issues?

Don't be ridiculous. She's not speaking for working class women. She's making the point that since childhood, Watson has been privileged enough not to need many of the protections that less privileged women do. That some working class women might be prepared to do without those protections too, and willing to strip them from other women too, is entirely beside the point.

RominaDina · 29/09/2025 20:00

GailBlancheViola · 29/09/2025 19:40

I am just waiting for the It's not what she/you say it's the way that she/you say it tone policing next.

So many traps set for women to either (a) stop them speaking and/or (b) not listen or hear what they say.

This. Exactly.

nicepotoftea · 29/09/2025 20:01

JHound · 29/09/2025 19:56

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

What’s with so many privileged people playing the “man/woman of the people” class card?

There is no evidence that Emma’s views would be different if she was poor. Does Joanna really think there are no working class people who disagree with her stance on trans issues? It’s such a lazy argument and one that is everywhere right now. Class warriors.

So you think EW would be equally clueless about women's rights without the defence of ignorance?

Interesting.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 20:02

JHound · 29/09/2025 19:56

Like other people who've never experienced adult life uncushioned by wealth and fame, Emma has so little experience of real life she's ignorant of how ignorant she is. She'll never need a homeless shelter. She's never going to be placed on a mixed sex public hospital ward. I'd be astounded if she's been in a high street changing room since childhood. Her 'public bathroom' is single occupancy and comes with a security man standing guard outside the door. Has she had to strip off in a newly mixed-sex changing room at a council-run swimming pool? Is she ever likely to need a state-run rape crisis centre that refuses to guarantee an all-female service? To find herself sharing a prison cell with a male rapist who's identified into the women's prison?

What’s with so many privileged people playing the “man/woman of the people” class card?

There is no evidence that Emma’s views would be different if she was poor. Does Joanna really think there are no working class people who disagree with her stance on trans issues? It’s such a lazy argument and one that is everywhere right now. Class warriors.

If you’re going to miss a point so spectacularly at least get her name right.

WandChoosesTheWitch · 29/09/2025 20:02

What a class act she is.

@ThatCyanCat So the criticisms on this thread seems to be

a) she should have kept a dignified silence
b) she’s humiliated Emma with her response
c) a couple of the usual pathetic TRA attempts at disparaging her

I am gobsmacked that people think JKR should have kept a dignified silence about Emma and Dan. She did, for years and years and more years. She has finally responded in a very dignified way. She hardly humiliated Emma; instead I felt how hurt she was by Emma’s words and actions. And I doubt JKR will mention it again.

SerafinasGoose · 29/09/2025 20:04

WandChoosesTheWitch · 29/09/2025 20:02

What a class act she is.

@ThatCyanCat So the criticisms on this thread seems to be

a) she should have kept a dignified silence
b) she’s humiliated Emma with her response
c) a couple of the usual pathetic TRA attempts at disparaging her

I am gobsmacked that people think JKR should have kept a dignified silence about Emma and Dan. She did, for years and years and more years. She has finally responded in a very dignified way. She hardly humiliated Emma; instead I felt how hurt she was by Emma’s words and actions. And I doubt JKR will mention it again.

And I don't doubt that Emma Watson will.

Of late she's seemed capable of talking of little else.

Letmeoutodhere · 29/09/2025 20:05

I cannot state how highly I rate this amazing woman. I wish she was PM. She is articulate, brave, intelligent, trail blazing. I admire her so so much. In a world where no one seems to have any moral compass anymore, she is one of a kind.

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:07

nicepotoftea · 29/09/2025 20:01

So you think EW would be equally clueless about women's rights without the defence of ignorance?

Interesting.

”So what you think is….”

🙄

crumpet · 29/09/2025 20:08

QuimReaper · 29/09/2025 17:37

I'm glad people are querying the 'bar one' thing, I don't think it's at all clear that that's what she said but I've seen it repeated all over the shop this week. It doesn't make a difference to the sentiment that was crystal clear, but it does make a difference whether it was stated or implied. I don't think we can call it either way.

It was widely quoted at the time she said it, to the point where she’d have had several opportunities to correct the impression given, if it was indeed incorrect. She was presenting at a time when JKR had really hit the headlines and was under attack on many fronts. At the time, and given the context, there was no doubt at all what she had said and who she was referring to.

Tartantotty · 29/09/2025 20:09

Brilliiant JK. Puts those entitled little actors in their place. Emma Watson is particularly irritating with her views and nasty little comments and asides.

JHound · 29/09/2025 20:10

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 29/09/2025 20:02

If you’re going to miss a point so spectacularly at least get her name right.

I got Joanna’s point. I responded to one specific point. Because this time of class warriorism is incredibly lazy.

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