NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #54

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to: [email protected].

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025
Thread 52: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5403218-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-52 2 September 2025 to 4 September 2025
Thread 53: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404208-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-53 from 3 September

Really interesting study @Keeptoiletssafe though not unsurprising.

This is a good article about how unions are letting down their female members. SP gets a mention:

https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/road-ruin?fbclid=Iwb21leANvP1tjbGNrA28_VGV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEeU6SDuphT9YgYwSA-uTLPXLGx_CzENoxIc7xXT2QUwoc4TdVOk7ocHASm_Rk_aem_ylhFFKkQCJjGm4UqAiZf6w

The Morning Star is unusual for a leftwing publication in that it isn't afraid to run articles about women's sex-based rights.

The fact that they even provided this totally shitty alternative is proof again that they all know he's a man and why women don't want to change with him. I just can't stand all the lies and pretend stupidity that they undermine themselves because literally everyone on earth knows the truth.

Men aren't women. They just aren't.

That Morning Star piece is spot-on for me. Why can't the rest of the Left get it?

The Communist Party of Britain has always been reliably GC.

A reminder that there is a petition on the government website Inquiry into sexual violence in NHS hospitals. It will be linked from the petitions section of mumsnet. As we all know this will almost all be male violence against women. So avoiding a basement changing room seems like common sense.

I had so much fun linking their post-SC ruling statement to people who insisted that the idea that women don't have penises is a core tenet of far right ideology.

So did I. 😁They really are thoroughly reliable on this. If they'd had a candidate in my constituency at the last GE, I'd have voted for them.

Even if Sandie had curtsied and said "please Ma'am..." Dr U would have found offensiveness with it. Probably that she didn't hold a full court curtsey for long enough or go deep enough.
Whoever put that demand for a reflective discussion in there was wanting to punish and find fault and guilt no matter what.

Me too!

The main reason I love the multipolarity of UK Terfs is because it's the reason for our relative success, but a close second is how funny it is to point out to people high on US cultural imperialism that they're out-lefted by gender critical Communists.

And, of course, the women's actual changing room was just as open to Dr Upton as the de facto one. The 'women only' sign had the same meaning on both doors.

Fife witness Fiona Wishart very helpfully told the ET that the official changing rooms were in a dank basement and that nobody uses them, so she rather put the tin lid on the notion that the unofficial room was just a 'locker room'. 😁

Any news on when the panel will return their judgment?

My rule of thumb is 3 months from closing. That would be the start of December but a slight delay at that time of year could easily push things into 2026.

We might get a very pleasant surprise with an earlier judgment but I wouldn't count on it, this is a really complex case.

Bumping in case anyone knows

this is a really complex case.

The basic issue that Upton is a man, and that NHS Fife were happy to break the law about this issue, is not complex.

The other issues are more complex I would agree.

Both the BBC and The Herald (the latter is attached) suggest November for the judgment.

PressReader.com - Digital Newspaper & Magazine Subscriptions

IT’S NOVEMBER NOW

We need to be patient to let the nice judge do his job.

All this stress, time and money wasted over one entitled male (two if you include northern numpty)

It was so triggering to read that summary again.

Absolute bullying €£^%#’

Sandie - well done. Keep going! Justice will come.

NHS Fife Chief Exec has just announced she is taking early retirement. No link yet, but it’s been tweeted by our local paper (in Fife). Interesting…

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25628151.early-exit-nhs-fife-chief-sandie-peggie-tribunal-ruling-nears/?ref=twtrec

It’s in the Herald.

Winder if she’s getting paid off or an enhanced retirement package. How old is she? How early is early? Or will she get bumped to some other public role.

Well there are plenty of soon to be redundant folk at NHS England.

@macaroonmayhem @NoNewClothes ah, I'm wondering if that implies,the judgement has been received by both sides, and will be published within a week.