Is it safety or separation?

[OneFlakyMaker]

When opposing transgender people in women's spaces, are you looking for safe spaces or separate spaces?

They may overlap but are not the same thing, and while a lot of the discussion is focused on safety, the tone and some arguments hint that addressing safety won't be enough for many people to feel comfortable. Instead, a place without males is sought.

I read one woman described it "At the club we used the women's bathroom to get a break from interacting with men".

Actually, I think it boils down to fear. Not of us, per se, but ultimately of mortality. Probably mixed in with a thwarted longing for mother love.

I could be very wrong though, it happens.

if your definition of 'legitimacy' is one in which people believe exactly what you say or tell them, regardless of what the the measurable evidence and facts say to the contrary, then no, there can be no legitimacy unless there is a universal acceptance of your premise. There isn't.

No. Legitimacy requires associations. So no, one can't claim to be a homosexual without having associations to homosexual behaviour.

The movement from one state to another is socially living as the opposite gender by making changes to one's body & social status.

That female people want to spend time with other female people sometimes is hardly a cause for concern that those female people are seeking ‘separatism’ as part of a movement.

And psychological, behavioural & cultural commonalities is a meaningless tool for categorising humans as to who has access to single sex spaces or single sex provisions. I think it is clear that you have tried across multiple threads to articulate your point but fail because your point is irrelevant for the premise you are trying to defend.

Um, that may have something to do with the company you keep. The women of today aren't shy to tell you what they think. 'Karen' didn't come out of no where…

<Paging clean up team, we have a Karen in aisle six, paging clean up>

Depends on the individual & how far the want to embrace their femininity/masculinity & now its become more acceptable that's why some are taking further steps to live their 'authenticity'.

Look dearie. Women are saying no. It doesn’t matter what you say, how you say it or even if you put a big bow on it. The answer is no. No means no. Did your parents never teach you that

What's the term for a male Karen?

Or have you just accidentally proven our point?

He has indeed. Not the sharpest tool is the shed is he bless him.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS THE OPPOSITE GENDER BECAUSE GENDER IS:

A. NOT BINARY
B. NOT REAL
C. SEXIST CLAPTRAP

If I say I am gay/lesbian I am telling you that I am same sex attracted. I could be, and remain, celibate, for any number of reasons. Still gay/lesbian!

What are these "homosexual behaviours" you speak of? Are there also "womaning behaviours"?

Please list them, that would be very helpful to better understand your argument.

Who gives a fuck? Expecting the rest of society to care about you "living your authenticity" is pure narcissism. No one cares. It's self-indulgent, navel-gazing nonsense. Contemplate your femininity whilst taking a crap in the men's toilets if you must, but stop boring everyone else with it, and stay out of women's single sex spaces.

'Karen' is 21st century for 'scold' afaik.

A feature of religion- or belief- driven misogynist societies that feel a need to shame women for speaking.

November Oscar

@Howseitgoin morning bro! How are you doing on the femininity scale this fine morning?

I don’t believe you can parse ‘anti-trans hysteria’ in any way that doesn’t ultimately end up showing hostility towards the women and girls that are asking that sex is prioritised above gender when sex matters.

Interesting that you try though. However, if that had been all that you had posted, you might have been able to make that excuse. I don’t think anyone who has been on threads with you could doubt your hostility towards any woman who disagrees with you.

But that movement is from man to trans woman. Or woman to trans man.

No one actually changes sex.

And the Supreme Court clarified that where the word sex is used in the EA it means sex. Not gender. Not state. Not making artificial changes to one’s body or changing socially.

I’m sorry for the trans people who find this difficult. But the answer is not for them to seek to reduce the protections available to another class of person (sex based) in the EA.

They need to campaign for some sort of fourth space (the existing third space is for disabled people and they can’t have that either as that means reducing the protections to another protected class of people in the EA - the disabled)

Karen. Whoring. It just keeps coming. But apparently, no hostility towards women by this poster.

False equivalence.

“I hate to even say this because it makes him sound normal, but I do think he loved us,” Elizabeth Kendall said.

Ted Bundy was a loving partner & a murderous psychopath so attempting to use the exceptionally unhinged as some sort of comparative gotcha is ludicrous.

They can live however they like. Present how they like.

I don’t care.

But the law says they can’t enter single sex spaces of the sex other than that which they were born.

And it’s interesting to me that you don’t accept women’s no. Do you generally have a problem understanding the principle of consent? I can explain it to you if you’d like?

I don't see any link between my question and your response.

Can you please try again? Which of those apparently feminine qualities do you think these violent male criminals have in common with women?

And if Ted Bundy had decided to identify as female he would still have been a bloke and still in the male prison estate.

What part of that is hard for you? I think I can take a guess.

Let it speak

There's no movement at all from man to trans woman. A trans woman is just a man.

Funny how you reference a man when someone gives you a list of males with a trans identity. Almost like you believe TWAM. Also Non