Another breastfeeding one

[MisssCackle]

Couldn’t see a thread on this.
In the latest of Breastfeeding batshittery..‘Breastfeeding and Lactation Support UK’ have today posted this.

I am so angered by it. The UK breastfeeding rates are amongst some of the lowest globally. We should be empowering women, not erasing them. Encouraging them to leave if they disagree?? They should be ashamed.

Please support using those words. I have explained why they are problematic. Why do you keep using them?

That reply wasn't to you was it.

Because you don't talk for everyone and many trans people use them 👍🏼

If there was a person in an NHS group who identified as male or non binary and another member kept referring to them as she, her, mama etc knowing full well that's now how that person identifies that would be transphobia. If when addressing the whole group they used ladies or mamas to purposefully exclude a trans person that would be transphobia.

HCPs sadly have to pander to the delusions of these people

Other patients do not

There is no requirement of certain personal beliefs to access NHS care

I do, I am a cis gender woman. AFAB, biological women or whatever other term you want to use

Whats wrong with just “woman”?

I am a woman but I'm also allowed to use a descriptor of myself when I see fit. If anyone asked me my gender directly id say female however when in a discussion about gender identity then I am a cis woman it's not an offensive term it's a scientific one that's used as a descriptive term.

Whether anyone “aligns” with their biological sex or not is of no consequence to anyone but themselves.

It doesn’t centre the men.

You can call yourself She, He, Ze Princess, Duchess of Royston Vasey, whatever - but you have no right to demand other people call you that.
You have no right to demand people address others in a certain way either.

I mean why would you even WANT to force it?! You know people are only obeying to stay on the group right? Why do you want grown adults to pretend?

To me you are a woman, no cis required and I’d never refer to you as a ciswoman. I don’t pander to regressive bullshit that erases women’s identity

Yes how does one align their biological sex?

Sex is immutable and no aligning needed.

Its a genuine question!

Don’t hold your breath for an answer, there’s nothing but tumbleweed every time it’s asked 😁

But I do in fact have that right in my group that I created, own and run. If people don't agree they can leave. It's very simple.

I'm not sure what you're referring to given that I was responding to another poster who was telling me what I should say... I don't have a Facebook page so I'm not sure what you're referring to with that either. I do however expect people to follow the talk guidelines of the page as moderated by mumsnet and its for them to manage what people post and I see that certain posts have now been removed for breaking talk guidelines as those are the terms of the site and we all engage knowing we operate under those terms. Which is no different than the other page being discussed.

I’m in a group which is mainly women with a few men. From what I’ve seen none of the men have ever policed the language of the women or taken a strop when someone has addressed the group as women. Maybe they haven’t noticed or more likely it doesn’t remotely bother them. I guess actual men

I’ve been asking it for years and never got a straight answer

It does not apply to me and I am offended by it. Call me that and you will get ignored. It is absolutely unnecessary to put that prefix in. I am a woman. End of story. I refuse to use the term and make no apologies for it.

What exactly in your life aligns with your gender?
How do you know you are cis gender and not gender fluid?

No one is telling you to use the term for yourself either 🤦🏼‍♀️

If I wanted to find out if I was cis gender or gender fluid, how would I find out?

You would know.

How would I know? How can I tell?

What a bonkers thread

”Cis” is not an adjective related to humans. For it to be so, the definition of gender needs to make sense, and it doesn’t, it’s nonsensical, and relies on obnoxious stereotypes and word salad to include men in the definition of women.

No, cis is not a descriptive word akin to tall or thin, give over 🙄
Woman is a stand-alone word, it doesn’t need any qualifier.

But that's okay - you can also choose not to engage in spaces where there is a clear and set out in advance boundary that participants will use inclusive language. Such as the group in question. Either you agree to the terms of participation and engage under those terms or you don't and you go elsewhere...