Another breastfeeding one

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Couldn’t see a thread on this.
In the latest of Breastfeeding batshittery..‘Breastfeeding and Lactation Support UK’ have today posted this.

I am so angered by it. The UK breastfeeding rates are amongst some of the lowest globally. We should be empowering women, not erasing them. Encouraging them to leave if they disagree?? They should be ashamed.

I never mentioned transwomen at all. You came to that conclusion all on your own. I do not equate the two whatsoever.

The term cis does not other transwomen. You are being deliberately obtuse, disingenuous and frankly childish.

That doesn't happen though..ALL members are better Only those who are lactating can join not just random men. You are also aware other women and mums could also fetishise breastfeeding too? Women can be paedophiles and perverts, women can have weird kinks etc

Someone from your group stated TW were not allowed to join. Are you saying they are allowed to join? And yes cis is very offensive to trans folx as it just reminds them they are not seen as their true gender, but something other. If you truly believed TW were women, you wouldn’t need to use cis would you? You’d just use “women”. Please educate yourself and stop using TERF language. Do better.

Someone from your group stated TW were not allowed to join. Are you saying they are allowed to join? And yes cis is very offensive to trans folx as it just reminds them they are not seen as their true gender, but something other. If you truly believed TW were women, you wouldn’t need to use cis would you? You’d just use “women”. Please educate yourself and stop using TERF language. Do better.

Great and you can do what you want for your own practice the same way individuals can call themselves women, ladies, mamas, mummy's etc... however in our group when addressing the group as a collective we don't assume gender of every single member.

I don't get what is so difficult instead of saying 'hey mamas' saying 'hey everyone' it really doesn't affect the poster to use gender neutral language.

And again, as an adult, a woman and a mum I don't want other adults refering to me as Mama personally I'm not their mum.

I don't know how many times you need to be told this but clearly your reading comprehension needs work ONLY those who are lactating can join regardless of their gender identity. So if a human is lactating they can join, if they aren't they can't. Accept for health care professionals who work alongside those who do lactate such as midwives, health visitors etc.

And as stated earlier and again you seem to ignore many trans people use the terms cis as well when differentiating to gain clarity around a subject. Cis and trans are also scientific words.

If you'd paid attention to the thread rather than repeatedly trying to derail the discussion you'd know that I'm not part of their group nor am i associated with them in any way. I said that trans women are not allowed to join because they do not lactate and therefore do not meet the remit of the group in question. This has been stated repeatedly.

Edited to add that any of the trans people I know or work with use the term trans themselves because they do recognise that as part of their identity and life experience. Trans people, like any other group of people are not a monolith

You’re so committed to supporting women and are more qualified than actual medical staff and yet you police what people can say.

Doesnt sound at all inclusive or supportive. It sounds like a bunch of people with delusions of grandeur (again, nobody knows who you are or what you’re qualified in, at least when people access NHS services they know they’re dealing with medically trained staff not people saying “I’m trained, honest!”) running a social media group.

If I go to an ACTUAL trained professional they don’t bark orders at me saying if I don’t follow the orders I’m kicked out, and don’t try to control what I say.

So whilst you’ve told yourselves you’re all better than the professionals, and women are better to come to you and should blindly believe you’re “qualified” and “regulated” (when you’re not) you lack what actual professionals have - they don’t stipulate that only people with certain beliefs can access good advice.

You claim to care SO MUCH about women you go to huge lengths to monitor a group to make sure accurate information is being shared…yet you boot them without a second thought if they don’t obey your illogical demand for them to believe people can change sex.

So yes I’d never use a Facebook group like I’d use a professional service because aside from the fact I have no idea who you are, nobody likes being told what to do. Even if that means I don’t access someone as allegedly qualified as you, at least I wouldn’t be treated like a child. I imagine your members feel the same. Only a simpleton would behave like a social media group in a professional medical setting

I don’t think you realise this isn’t your Facebook group where you’re king. People can post whatever they like

So much ball carrying and yet you say you dont demean women.

How do you know they’re lactating?

Another reason to sue an actual medical service rather than a social media group - I know who I’m in a room with.

I mean it’s fine to run a Facebook group and it is so nice to have these groups, but you’re not really helping anyone by making out like it’s even better than going through NHS routes. Most people won’t see it like that, and it should they. It’s just a facebook group.

So your group accepts males who take drugs to induce lactation?

I don’t know anybody who identifies as cis gender. Even my parents don’t live by society’s gender norms. It’s such nonsense.

It’s a scolding everyone!

You bad women, wanting any word that describes adult female people.

“cis” was invented by the trans lobby. Now we can’t use it because it reminds them that trans women and biologically female women are not the same.

Such a retreat from reality; it is fantastically psychologically unhealthy to have to force everyone round you to collude in the immersive fantasy.

Trans women are not the same, they are male, and it is utterly misogynistic to forbid women from discussing anything pertinent to our lives and experiences that is not shared by trans women in case it upsets them.

Biological female women absolutely have the right and the need to discuss our issues in our own language. We get to define ourselves, and will not be told what we are allowed to say by men who are sad, or their childish apologists.

Grow up and live in the real world.

Exactly. Do you do see how your language can offend some trans folx? Are you going to address that or are they to be excluded from feeling comfortable?

And actually there are studies and programmes allowing women to lactate through the help of medical science so that they can experience the true bond with their child. Do you exclude these women also?

That’s truly shocking.
Use “feeding parent” instead of mother, wtf?? 😮

Except again you seem to have difficulty reading.. we have all of our qualifications on the group, we gave details of our training bodies and our regulatory bodies so people in the group do in fact know who we are and that we are trained and regulated. Example the IBCLCS we have are all on a register you can easily search them up and verify their accreditation.

If you went to any NHS provided group and was purposefully transphobic and was verbalising such transphobia you would in fact be asked to leave. The same way you would if you were being openly racist.

The male of the species does not lactate breast milk. If a “person” is lactating, it’s from their breasts, which means they’re a woman.
However this basic fact may offend some sad, deluded people, it remains a fact.

No you don't actually, if you go to many of the breastfeeding groups that are face to face which are advertised online and readily available to all you don't actually know who you're in a room with or that they are indeed breastfeeding or even parents.

what transphobia? You’ve accused me of being transphobic when I was just sticking up for poor oppressed trans folx. Please do show where I have been transphobic?

Verbalising what transphobia?

If a person is lactating they can join. Same way same sex couples where one is inducing lactation can join or adoptive parents who are inducing lactation. However at current we haven't ever had a cis male wanting to join who is actively lactating or even in the process of trying to.

I do, I am a cis gender woman. AFAB, biological women or whatever other term you want to use. I know many many people who also know that cis is a scientific term and aren't offended by it 🤦🏼‍♀️ it's a descriptive word same as tall woman or short woman for example.

Yes you get to define yourself ... You do however not get to define 57000+ other people.