JKR accused of 'quoting hitler'

[Dominoodles]

Within the context of condemning political violence following the murder of Charlie Kirk, she quoted on X a line from Mein Kampf where Hitler talked about how he utilised political violence for his own gain. This was a clear statement in how allowing for political violence against one's rivals can lead to that in power manipulating things in order to harm others.

Unfortunately, articles are springing up across the internet shaming JKR for quoting or referring to this text at all, with many condemning her for 'nazi' views and accusing her of being far right.

(Personally I love JK, and it is such a shame that every single thing she says is twisted to mean the opposite of what she's actually saying!)

I’m not on TRA forums because I’m not TRA.
I am fairly intelligent thank you. Perhaps try and understand my point of view. It’s hard when you’re not Jewish to see things that are problematic to us.

I really hope we can agree on how problematic it is to weaponise the Holocaust and Hitler in support of women’s rights.

Well do you frequent the TRA forums? I don’t go there because I have no interest in them.

She crossed one for me.
I hear you loud and clear, this is a no Jews allowed movement to you.

So how about you go after the person who asked the question she replied to?

If she had declined to answer the question about Hitler, treating it as trivial and unimportant, would you have viewed that as acceptable?

You are doing a bad job of demonstrating that intelligence.

One last time, slowly and loudly: Answering. A. Question. About. Hitler. By. Quoting. Hitler. Does. Not. Make. You. A. Supporter.

If. You've. Been. Referring. To. Violence. And. Threats. As. Bad. Tactics. And. Someone. Asks. A. Fucking. Stupid. And. Insulting. Question. About. Whether. You. Would. Also. Say. Hitler. Is. Bad. And. You. Point. Out. That. He. Thought. Violence. Was. Good. You. Are. Obviously. Condemning. Him.

If. You. Have. Had. This. Explained. Eleventy. Billion. Times. And. Are. Still. Wanging. On. You. Are. Either. So. Fixated. You. Can't. Think. Straight, Thick. As. Mince. Or. Arguing. In. Bad. Faith.

Whichever. It. Is., Accusing. People. Who. Point. It. Out. Of. Being. Anti-Semitic. Is. A. Total. Dick. Move.

You are choosing to twist peoples words

J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling. Sep 11
If you believe free speech is for you but not your political opponents, you're illiberal.

If no contrary evidence could change your beliefs, you're a fundamentalist.

If you believe the state should punish those with contrary views, you're a totalitarian.

If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you're a terrorist.

ציפי לביא @tzippylavi. Sep 11
Do you include Hitler in that?

J.K. Rowling. @jk_rowling Sep 11
Replying to @tzippylavi
Many who scream 'fascist' at opponents fully endorse his methods.

''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf.

Lets try a tick box test:

View point :
If you believe free speech is for you but not your political opponents, you're illiberal.

Answer:
''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf.

Is Hitler
□ agreeing with free speech or
□ is not agreeing with free speech
.
.
.
.
View point:
If no contrary evidence could change your beliefs, you're a fundamentalist.

Answer :
''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf.

Is Hitler
□ open to dialogue with opponents or
□ is not open to dialogue with opponents
.
.
.
.
View point
If you believe the state should punish those with contrary views, you're a totalitarian.

''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf.

Is Hitler
□ open to contrary views or
□ is not open to contrary views
.
.
.
.
View point
If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you're a terrorist.

''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf.

Is Hitler
□ agreeing with political violence /death or
□ is not agreeing with political violence /death

Surely it is for JKR to answer a question directed to her? It would be rude to answer on JKR’s behalf.

Since JKR deflected and did not answer the question, yes that is unacceptable.

Saying ‘no comment’ to a question asking if one includes Hitler on the list that includes fundamentalists, totalitarians and terrorists does imply you don’t think he belongs on the list.

So basically … JKR did answer the question, but that was unacceptable.
If JKR did decline to answer the question that would be unacceptable.

If she answers, she’s a witch and if she refuses to answer that proves she’s a witch…

I did not misquote JKR’s description of goblins. I linked the lexicon which references each book each part of the description is from. Here is more detail

“Goblins are short and dark-skinned. They have very long fingers and feet, and some have pointed beards (PS5) and dark, slanted eyes (GF24). Griphook, one of the hundreds of goblins working at Gringotts (PS5), has a bald head, pointed nose, and pointed ears (HPM). Some goblins wear pointed hats (OP7). Goblins speak a language called Gobbledegook.
Throughout the history of the wizarding world there have been rebellions where the goblins have fought against discrimination and prejudice. They are still considered subservient in the minds of most wizards, and they are forbidden by the Ministry from carrying wands, which has lead to deep-seated resentment, although Goblins have their own kind of wand-less magic. Goblin rebellions were most prevalent in the 1600s (PA5) and 1700s (GF15, OP31), but even today there are subversive goblin groups who work in secret against the Ministry, according to the Daily Prophet (OP15). One rebellion, in 1612, took place in the vicinity of Hogsmeade; the Inn there was used as headquarters for the rebellion (PA5). The rebellions have been described as "bloody and vicious." The names of the rebels tend to run along the lines of "Bodrod the Bearded and Urg the Unclean," according to Ron (GF31).”

I am by far not alone in my opinion of the antisemitic undertones of JKR’s goblins
https://theconversation.com/how-hogwarts-legacy-video-game-reinforces-antisemitic-scapegoating-with-goblins-202710

https://forward.com/opinion/480578/think-the-goblins-in-harry-potter-are-antisemitic-try-british-literature/

https://www.thejc.com/news/hogwarts-legacy-reignites-allegations-of-antisemitism-in-harry-potter-universe-nk1u9r1d

she did answer the question

she did not deflect

she used a quotation that was unambiguous about Hitler's violence and evil

why are you so insistent on making yourself look stupid?

JKR deflected so she did not answer the question

She didn't say 'no comment'. You are lying. Carry on lying if it pleases you, but everyone on here can read.

JKR probably should have factored in midwits and the malignly inclined when composing her reply, to be fair. But she perhaps, even now, underestimated the stupidity of some and the cupidity of others.

We will have to agree to disagree on JKR.
I tend to think people who repeatedly call me stupid or unintelligent are not engaging in good faith with my concerns about antisemitism.
I then wonder why are they being so defensive?

You are aware, aren't you, that JKR's condemnation of antisemitism over many years is a major part of why the Jeremy Corbyn stans hate her?

Your bottom line (yet which you seem deflectingly defensive to actually admit, whilst otherwise being very productive with clouds of accusatory words) is that once JKR had been asked the question about Hitler, there was no way she could have responded acceptably in your (Righteous) view.

@teawamutu
”She didn't say 'no comment'. You are lying. Carry on lying if it pleases you, but everyone on here can read.”

I did not say that JKR said ‘no comment’

You have misread the exchange, I was answering the question posed to me by @DeanElderberry who asked me:
“If she had declined to answer the question about Hitler, treating it as trivial and unimportant, would you have viewed that as acceptable?”

my answer to that question (which I had quoted) was:
“Since JKR deflected and did not answer the question, yes that is unacceptable.
Saying ‘no comment’ to a question asking if one includes Hitler on the list that includes fundamentalists, totalitarians and terrorists does imply you don’t think he belongs on the list.”

What else do you think is a lie? I have not lied.

JKR probably should have factored in midwits and the malignly inclined when composing her reply, to be fair. But she perhaps, even now, underestimated the stupidity of some and the cupidity of others.

Please try to restrain yourself from personal attacks.
Further attacks will be reported.

Consider the possiblity that people who repeatedly call you stupid or unintelligent neither know nor care that you are Jewish, but are are engaging with your repeated demonstrations of inability or unpreparedness to understand what you read and your readiness to invent stuff on which to found unjustified and malicious accusations.

I am aware that whenever there is controversy over something she does or says that has antisemitic undertones that she very publicly and performatively affirms she is not antisemitic.

It just strikes me as similar to “I’m not antisemitic, but…”

It's all very Sandie Peggie.

"Harken unto me alle the Evil Thyngs that Wytch didst against Mine Righteous Self! That wytch didst talk to me, yet also didst not talk to me, didst gaze upon me, yet also didst not gaze upon me, didst not enter the changyng room whilst I was in it, yet also didst not enter the changyng room whilst I was in it..."

I have not invented anything. I have not been malicious at all to any poster. I have been unfailingly polite and measured despite some horrendous personal attacks directed towards me.

I am also not stupid nor unintelligent. These are personal attacks not in the spirit of the site and not how a fellow feminist should be treated. I hope you do not treat other minority women this way when they raise concerns about the type of racism that affects them?

So if she doesn't explicitly say it then that confirms she's antisemitic and if she does explicitly say it we should assume she's lying?

Should we be seeing if she weighs the same as a duck?

No. I did say at the outset that she should have responded to the question by saying ‘yes I include Hitler on that list’ or similar.

See
“SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · Today 14:23
My people’s suffering at the hands of Hitler are not your analogy.
JKR should have condemned Hitler, by saying yes I include Hitler in that.
Instead she quoted him.
It’s like JKR is so polarised she cannot even bring herself agree with a Jewish woman who supports TRAs that Hitler is abhorrent.
That should be obvious common ground, right?“

No, I would rather she not say and do antisemitic things if I’m being honest. One or two mistakes, followed by apology and affirmations are fair enough.

She should know better by now. That exchange on X is concerning.

I have been unfailingly polite

A trait of pinnipeds.

@SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice

Can you do a simple tick the box check?

View point :
If you believe free speech is for you but not your political opponents, you're illiberal.
.
Answer:
''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
.
Is Hitler
□ agreeing with free speech or
□ is not agreeing with free speech
.
.
.
.
View point:
If no contrary evidence could change your beliefs, you're a fundamentalist.
.
Answer :
''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
.
Is Hitler
□ open to dialogue with opponents or
□ is not open to dialogue with opponents
.
.
.
.
View point
If you believe the state should punish those with contrary views, you're a totalitarian.
.
Answer
''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
.
Is Hitler
□ open to contrary views or
□ is not open to contrary views
.
.
.
.
View point
If you believe political opponents should be punished with violence or death, you're a terrorist.
.
Answer
''The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."
Adolf Hitler
Mein Kampf
.
Is Hitler
□ agreeing with political violence /death or
□ is not agreeing with political violence /death