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JKR accused of 'quoting hitler'

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Dominoodles · 15/09/2025 22:38

Within the context of condemning political violence following the murder of Charlie Kirk, she quoted on X a line from Mein Kampf where Hitler talked about how he utilised political violence for his own gain. This was a clear statement in how allowing for political violence against one's rivals can lead to that in power manipulating things in order to harm others.

Unfortunately, articles are springing up across the internet shaming JKR for quoting or referring to this text at all, with many condemning her for 'nazi' views and accusing her of being far right.

(Personally I love JK, and it is such a shame that every single thing she says is twisted to mean the opposite of what she's actually saying!)

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SinnerBoy · 16/09/2025 19:30

An aside: my wife and her sister returned from 3 days away, on a for making course. As I was driving to collect her, Atomic came on the radio?

Spooky co-incidence? I haven't heard it for ages...

RayonSunrise · 17/09/2025 07:23

EsmaCannonball · 16/09/2025 18:00

Maybe it's because most of the people I know are left-wing and I never encounter any Tucker Carlson-like 'blame Israel for everything' right-wing types in real life, but I am finding the company of left-wing people extremely trying at the moment. Always patronising, always trying to educate you on things they are no better educated about, always talking in thought-terminating clichés, never willing to consider any other arguments and never willing to consider that left-wing people can be the bad guys.

It's that last point that is really bugging me. Whether it's October 7th or punching women or assassinating political activists, whenever someone from their team does something terrible they can only process it by slandering and demonising the victim and then trying to claim it as a legitimate act of protest. Always righteous; never wrong.

Charlie Kirk was someone I was only vaguely aware of but, as far as I can see, he was a conservative Christian on the very right of right-wing politics. I have heard so many people in the last week claim him as a Nazi or a fascist and then use that to be dismissive about what happened. Nothing about the reaction to his murder has come as a surprise to me but it is disturbing to see what nice-seeming people will go along with once someone has been branded an enemy.

That’s really weird. I also have a mainly left-leaning circle, and my experience is that I’ve had to be patient over the past decade over the way a lot of people shut their brains down as soon as the “TWAW” cliche came up. But lots of them didn’t, too. There have been a lot of us wondering why some people went completely mad on this subject.

The right-leaning people I know aren’t all GC, either. I know one family who transed their son (in rural Australia!) and as a result all my conservative in-laws are gaming the line that TW must be W because they know a child on puberty blockers.

How did you manage to curate your social circle so it’s only full of people you don’t like?

EsmaCannonball · 17/09/2025 09:17

RayonSunrise · 17/09/2025 07:23

That’s really weird. I also have a mainly left-leaning circle, and my experience is that I’ve had to be patient over the past decade over the way a lot of people shut their brains down as soon as the “TWAW” cliche came up. But lots of them didn’t, too. There have been a lot of us wondering why some people went completely mad on this subject.

The right-leaning people I know aren’t all GC, either. I know one family who transed their son (in rural Australia!) and as a result all my conservative in-laws are gaming the line that TW must be W because they know a child on puberty blockers.

How did you manage to curate your social circle so it’s only full of people you don’t like?

If you read my post you will see it says 'most of the people I know,' not 'my social circle.'

OldCrone · 17/09/2025 09:27

I know one family who transed their son (in rural Australia!) and as a result all my conservative in-laws are gaming the line that TW must be W because they know a child on puberty blockers.

The trans lobby certainly knew what they were doing when they set out to recruit children to the trans cause.

Otherwise rational people feel they have to become true believers because they are close to a child caught up in the cult.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 17/09/2025 10:31

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 16/09/2025 01:28

JKR has done a Holocaust minimisation by quoting Mein Kampf by Hitler just to tweet a basic moral comment that murder is wrong no matter how awful you may think a person’s opinions are.

This is categorically antisemitic.

Keep in mind, Mein Kampf (My Battle) isn’t wholly a memoir. The part she quoted, he wasn’t writing about how he used political violence for his own gain, he was writing his plan for success.- “'The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."

Chillingly, Hitler defined success as a Germany rid of Jews (Judenrein), because he thought Jews were subhumans.

She has literally compared the murderer of a minor political activist to Hitler himself, and the plan for this murder to Hilter’s plan for the genocide of millions of Jewish people. Both plans ‘succeeded.’

I should not need to say that this is Holocaust minimisation and JKR should receive a lot of flak for this.

The memory of the Holocaust isn’t to be appropriated like that to shock jock a public controversy so you get those tons of views and upvotes on X (which can be monetised - not that she needs more money).

Yes JKR, murder is wrong. Try and post that without disrespecting the Holocaust. If you really feel a need to mention ‘fascism’ you can also do that without quoting Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf!!

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OMG, you have also literally quoted Hitler!!! You must be one of those holocaust deniers!!! This is how fascism starts!!!

MarieDeGournay · 17/09/2025 10:36

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 17/09/2025 10:31

OMG, you have also literally quoted Hitler!!! You must be one of those holocaust deniers!!! This is how fascism starts!!!

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You see how easy it is to become 'Nazi-adjacent', SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice, now that you've been outed as a Hitler-quoter?

Deliberately misquoting, or quoting out of context, seems to be very common.
It makes reading primary sources so important - fortunately the internet, which is full of out-of-context, incomplete quotes, is also full of primary sources!

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 17/09/2025 10:47

Howseitgoin · 16/09/2025 12:54

There's this thing called 'cry bullying' she excels at…

Who is "she"? The cat's father?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/09/2025 14:28

MarieDeGournay · 17/09/2025 10:36

You see how easy it is to become 'Nazi-adjacent', SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice, now that you've been outed as a Hitler-quoter?

Deliberately misquoting, or quoting out of context, seems to be very common.
It makes reading primary sources so important - fortunately the internet, which is full of out-of-context, incomplete quotes, is also full of primary sources!

great point perfectly made 👏 just a few clips and you could include it in a list of Mumsnet Hitler quoters and make it a viral tweet.

RedToothBrush · 17/09/2025 14:49

Beowulfa · 16/09/2025 10:26

If Rowling hadn't answered the question, that would also be wrong: controversial Harry Potter author refuses to break silence on Naziism and trans rights

Phrases that should be banned.

'breaks silence' or 'break silence'

Its in EVERY OTHER newspaper headline atm. Its total bollocks and means fucking nothing.

Someone could be happily rabbiting on about something and in no way silent, but just doesn't mention a particular subject in the a particular way.

Anyone who uses it should be cancelled regardless of their political alignment, just cos they are lazy, illiterate click baiters.

I have spoken. I should be law on this.

Any disagreement?

Nope thought not. Lets action this.

SinnerBoy · 17/09/2025 16:27

Yes, it means to finally answer, after a long period of not doing so, not "Responded after yesterday's incident."

Namitynamename · 17/09/2025 21:39

RedToothBrush · 17/09/2025 14:49

Phrases that should be banned.

'breaks silence' or 'break silence'

Its in EVERY OTHER newspaper headline atm. Its total bollocks and means fucking nothing.

Someone could be happily rabbiting on about something and in no way silent, but just doesn't mention a particular subject in the a particular way.

Anyone who uses it should be cancelled regardless of their political alignment, just cos they are lazy, illiterate click baiters.

I have spoken. I should be law on this.

Any disagreement?

Nope thought not. Lets action this.

I would support a party with that in their manifesto!
Can I also add the phrase "performative". It has a general meaning but increasingly just seems to be a way of casting aspersions on people going around their daily lives in public. It's quite a narcissistic way of viewing the world.Particularly "performative parenting" and "performative reading". Nothing to do with KKR. Just something I needed to say.

Sazzasez · 18/09/2025 21:22

IIRC someone at a Let Women Speak event a while ago referenced the concept of The Big Lie: the idea that if you repeat a big enough falsehood often enough it becomes unchallengeable (which I hesitate to explain as that apparently makes me literally Goebbels, & in favour of murdering all my children whose names all began with H when the jig was finally up) & the TRAs were all “Posie Parker endorses Goebbels”.

logiccalls · 19/09/2025 11:32

Sazzasez · 18/09/2025 21:22

IIRC someone at a Let Women Speak event a while ago referenced the concept of The Big Lie: the idea that if you repeat a big enough falsehood often enough it becomes unchallengeable (which I hesitate to explain as that apparently makes me literally Goebbels, & in favour of murdering all my children whose names all began with H when the jig was finally up) & the TRAs were all “Posie Parker endorses Goebbels”.

Admittedly not read the thread (preferring the other thread about all the things JKR must have been guilty of) but it seems half hearted to stop at accusing her of "quoting" Hitler, when with a little extra effort they could accuse her of "being" a reincarnated Hitler.

Valeriekat · 19/09/2025 15:46

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 16/09/2025 01:28

JKR has done a Holocaust minimisation by quoting Mein Kampf by Hitler just to tweet a basic moral comment that murder is wrong no matter how awful you may think a person’s opinions are.

This is categorically antisemitic.

Keep in mind, Mein Kampf (My Battle) isn’t wholly a memoir. The part she quoted, he wasn’t writing about how he used political violence for his own gain, he was writing his plan for success.- “'The very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence."

Chillingly, Hitler defined success as a Germany rid of Jews (Judenrein), because he thought Jews were subhumans.

She has literally compared the murderer of a minor political activist to Hitler himself, and the plan for this murder to Hilter’s plan for the genocide of millions of Jewish people. Both plans ‘succeeded.’

I should not need to say that this is Holocaust minimisation and JKR should receive a lot of flak for this.

The memory of the Holocaust isn’t to be appropriated like that to shock jock a public controversy so you get those tons of views and upvotes on X (which can be monetised - not that she needs more money).

Yes JKR, murder is wrong. Try and post that without disrespecting the Holocaust. If you really feel a need to mention ‘fascism’ you can also do that without quoting Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf!!

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Are you OK?

GiraffesAtThePark · 19/09/2025 20:50

So Hitler’s writings need to be held in some kind of reverence? We can’t just quote them to show fascism for what it is?

MarieDeGournay · 20/09/2025 10:28

RedToothBrush · 17/09/2025 14:49

Phrases that should be banned.

'breaks silence' or 'break silence'

Its in EVERY OTHER newspaper headline atm. Its total bollocks and means fucking nothing.

Someone could be happily rabbiting on about something and in no way silent, but just doesn't mention a particular subject in the a particular way.

Anyone who uses it should be cancelled regardless of their political alignment, just cos they are lazy, illiterate click baiters.

I have spoken. I should be law on this.

Any disagreement?

Nope thought not. Lets action this.

Also off-topic, sorry, but I can't resist adding my pet hate:
'Tributes are being paid today to X...'
😬
I was caught out once when they said 'Tributes are being paid today to X...' and I thought Oh no, that's sad, so young, so talented... but in fact 'tributes were being paid' because she had left her current position to move on to another🙄

So it's not even an unambiguous cliché.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/09/2025 21:46

logiccalls · 19/09/2025 11:32

Admittedly not read the thread (preferring the other thread about all the things JKR must have been guilty of) but it seems half hearted to stop at accusing her of "quoting" Hitler, when with a little extra effort they could accuse her of "being" a reincarnated Hitler.

I see it as accurate. She quoted Hitler all properly in quotes and didn’t even forget to cite Mein Kampf as the Hitler authored source either.

It’s not an accusation so much as the truth.

JKR quoted Hitler.

The rest is just stans who think quoting Hitler is acceptable because it’s JKR!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/09/2025 22:05

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/09/2025 21:46

I see it as accurate. She quoted Hitler all properly in quotes and didn’t even forget to cite Mein Kampf as the Hitler authored source either.

It’s not an accusation so much as the truth.

JKR quoted Hitler.

The rest is just stans who think quoting Hitler is acceptable because it’s JKR!

Quoting someone doesn't mean you agree with them FFS.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/09/2025 22:23

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/09/2025 22:05

Quoting someone doesn't mean you agree with them FFS.

Did JKR quote Hitler? Yes
Was it in the context of condemning Hitler or Nazis? No

greengagesummers · 20/09/2025 22:24

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/09/2025 22:23

Did JKR quote Hitler? Yes
Was it in the context of condemning Hitler or Nazis? No

Don’t be silly. The entire force of the message was to condemn Hitler! There really are some serious reading comprehension issues here.

AnSolas · 20/09/2025 22:30

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/09/2025 21:46

I see it as accurate. She quoted Hitler all properly in quotes and didn’t even forget to cite Mein Kampf as the Hitler authored source either.

It’s not an accusation so much as the truth.

JKR quoted Hitler.

The rest is just stans who think quoting Hitler is acceptable because it’s JKR!

You are a little late to the party and

a) have not read the thread or

b) have not understood what was discussed

Namelessnelly · 20/09/2025 22:36

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/09/2025 21:46

I see it as accurate. She quoted Hitler all properly in quotes and didn’t even forget to cite Mein Kampf as the Hitler authored source either.

It’s not an accusation so much as the truth.

JKR quoted Hitler.

The rest is just stans who think quoting Hitler is acceptable because it’s JKR!

So if no one can quote hitler, how can anyone criticise his ideas and words?

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/09/2025 22:36

greengagesummers · 20/09/2025 22:24

Don’t be silly. The entire force of the message was to condemn Hitler! There really are some serious reading comprehension issues here.

Nope. She wasn’t condemning Hitler. She was condemning the “many who scream fascist at opponents”

Hitler is dead so he isn’t doing any present tense screaming….😱 he hugged and drank and smoked with other fascists so he would not think of a fascist as an opponent.

Odd, how in 5 days you seem to have forgotten you said that she was making a comparison of her opponents to Hitler…

greengagesummers · 15/09/2025 22:46
Wasn’t she actually using the quote to suggest that anyone advocating violence is similar to Hitler?

Do your loved ones also notice you forgetting your own opinions and inexplicably arguing the opposite of what you said earlier?

https://www.dementia.co.uk/dementia-tests/do-at-home-dementia-test

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 20/09/2025 22:38

Namelessnelly · 20/09/2025 22:36

So if no one can quote hitler, how can anyone criticise his ideas and words?

Was JKR criticising Hitler? No

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