Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

[ThatZanyFatball]

May have been lovers, and sounds like he knew ahead of time that it was going to happen.

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

Let’s start maybe with how you’re defining “trans”.

They have a strong delusion that they're female.

How is this different from any other person who has a strong ‘delusion’ they are something they materially are not?

Should any of those people be treated as if they were what they believe they are when they are not?

Being delusional doesn’t mean they’re not men. It just means they have a false belief, which can come in any variety.

Well that’s what some of them say.

I don’t think men who identify as women are one homogenous bloc except for the fact that they are all male.

Do they though? Or is that just what many of them say.

Sometimes people who have a strong delusion that they are overweight are actually extremely, even dangerously thin.

We don’t affirm their strong delusion.
We try to help them cope with objective reality.

Well, that wasn't the question. Somebody with a persecution complex may not actually be persecuted but they still have the complex.

But they do exist. Or are we saying anorexic people don't exist now?

Being delusional doesn’t mean they’re not men.

Which is why I described them as 'men who identify as women'.

Yet, there are some clear definitions around what could be considered persecution for someone to be able to accurately evaluate whether they are or are not persecuted.

No male person can accurately state that what they are interacting in the world as female person would be. It is impossible. They can only ever falsely categorise that how they interact in the world is how a female person would. Based on their own perceptions on how female people interact that may be accurate to some degree or they may be very false.

And each male person who makes this claim is using a completely personalised criteria for making that claim.

The only thing they have in common is that they are male people who reject that they are interacting with the world within the category of a wide range of male interactions.

However, the other thing is that a person may also have an experience of persecution in the past to judge their experience on now too. It is another thing that a male person can never have as a 'female' person.

So, how are they different from any other person who has a 'delusion' about themselves?

yes. There is a group who falsely categorise themselves as being women. Is the issue you have that we will not use the any female language to describe them?

They have taken the word 'woman' and twisted it to make it mean something other than it is. Why should society participate in using the word 'woman' in connection to these men, when they are not in anyway female?

By all means, some people can categorise them as 'transgender identitifying men' if it makes them happy. But not one person on this earth should feel compelled to use any language referring to female people in referring to this group.

I haven’t seen anyone denying men who are deluded exist.

Perhaps the issue is that we refuse to describe that group using the unique words for female people as they demand that they are described?

Yeah, I had enough men, gay and straight, crashing my lesbian social group. We're fed up with men colonizing the term woman and lesbian.
Twigg was self-aware to speak condescendingly of 'cisfags'. Just like he was not a sloth or whatever furry fantasy he tried on, and you're not calling him one, he has nothing to do with being a woman.

I now prefer ‘men who say they are women’ or ‘males who claim to be female’ because both phrases imply critique of the self made proclamation.

When surgical or medical interventions are part of the discussion I sometimes use ‘men who have undergone artificial feminisation’ (and obvs the same but vice versa for women who say they are men).

Just reading the messaging between the two roommates

Some earlier arguments from posters about there being no relationship etc were wrong

Yes, but I think you’ll find those posters are still clinging to their theories that it’s all made up to make “trans people” look bad.

Me neither. It seems to establish quite a lot in very short order, which is handy.

But these are gamers. It sounds more like an exchange between two Victorian misses.

on the other hand, there is absolutely, unequivocally, no accounting for folk.

I don't have an issue. I'm generally on the GC side. I just don't like this recent trend of people thinking that if they say something enough it makes it true. Like 'white people can't experience racism' which is always followed by some long waffling justification despite the definition of racism being pretty clear and unchanging since time immemorial.

Transwomen are men that believe they're women, or want to be treated as a woman. There's even legislation making gender reassignment a protected characteristic. It's illogical that this would be the case without any subjects/demographic for it to apply to. If they don't exist then what's all the fuss about?

People that don't exist can't present any threat to women's rights surely?

Men that claim to be women, exist, yes, but I don’t see them as distinct from other men particularly and I’m not going to use activist jargon like “trans woman” with or without the space. It’s a loaded term which presupposes that in some way these men are women. They are in no way women, I don’t relate to any of their tropes, as a woman. They are just men.

They want to be considered as women. They're generally referred to as transwomen. It's the accepted descriptor and 99% of people will recognise the word.

I don’t give a shiny that they “want to be considered women”. It hurts actual women.

Actually someone else will have the stats but a lot of the general public don't know that transwomen are biological men.

It's up to individual posters what terms they use.

Yes, depending on region up to a third of survey participants thought a “trans woman” was a female person identifying as a man. Which is in fact logical, especially when you consider the little weasel word “cis” applied to a woman meaning a genuine woman rather than a man who identifies as a woman.