Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

[ThatZanyFatball]

May have been lovers, and sounds like he knew ahead of time that it was going to happen.

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

I would say not just market forces in the sense of economics, but also some kind of social equivalent.

Like, if you see what happens to people who lose their job and hadn't been going to church regularly to have someone put out a collection for them... You'll really put in effort to not lose your job. Or get pregnant out of wedlock. And definitely won't go no-contact with your whole family.

The "social market forces" version probably results in fewer people falling off the rails, and worse results for the ones that do (compare the number of children living with single mothers today vs 100 years ago, but also their circumstances). The "safety net / legal duty to everyone" approach gets pretty expensive in the long tail though.

I'm talking generally. We aren't talking about a particular point. Some people I watch I might agree with 6 out of 10 things but not all. If I started to pick apart every talking point on this or any thread I wouldn't have time. I have previously brought statistics and proof of the points I'm making and the points were ignored ( some dont want to hear the truth or facts just move around their own talking points) . I see another poster has accused me of watching fox news because I mentioned it in a post....they obviously didn't read it because I was actually saying why I don't watch it. I know the second I say watch a or b it will be ripped assunder so in the spirit of equanimity listen to many and pick a few whatever way you lean. Different sources and viewpoints aren't bad. Debate is healthy so long as it doesn't become violent or harmful.

I wasnt even addressing you.

I will suggest you read what I say before commenting though, because I think you'll find that I haven't advocated for watching fox news, quite the opposite, and any of my talking points are about as far removed from fox news as it can be. Facts have to have some level of truth and fox news has a bit of a loose relationship with the truth. In fact I have stipulated any particular outlet that's up to them. Each to their own.

Its a forum.

What were you expecting?

What do you think is in the Epstein files that is worse than what is already in the public record?

You accused me of lecturing you when I was exchanging posts with someone else about a particular issue. Like I said read the posts.

And again. You clearly have a particular agenda to derail. I will not be engaging again.

Bye.

I might buy that Trump or his coat tail riders might try to make a big deal out of something, anything, to bury news that would make him look bad worse. He, or they, are not exactly going to struggle for ideas though. Charlie Kirk's murder is a big deal though. Perhaps the measures he might introduce in the wake of his death dovetail with what they want to do anyway?

Anyway, about those pangolin...

😂 Au revoir

Pangolins are evil.

They killed hundreds of thousands.

They should be banned, then the world would be a better place.

And yet still lives in Utah and has dinner with his family.

I mean, the political shift itself is probably very destabilising. "Everything I ever thought was true was wrong" is a deeply unsettling feeling.

Many of us in this thread have probably been through something similar on a smaller scale - I think it's very common to have been comfortably in lockstep with the progressive left until suddenly finding oneself GC, maybe having to find new friends, suddenly questioning media bias. I know 2019-2021 were deeply upsetting and destabilising for me personally. And I mostly stayed on a good footing with family, career etc to give me some anchors.

Utah Mormonism --> trans furry gamer culture must have been a hell of a switch!

Trump makes a big deal out of anything he thinks will benefit him.

I don’t think there is an alternative universe where Trump would have decided on a more measured response because he had no news to bury.

He isn’t hiding a more thoughtful, ethical soul. This is who he is.

There are women who have made accusations about him, ( his ex wife for one, although she retracted it at a later date) he has admitted how he interacts with women, boasted about it , how he acted around his beauty pageants, been found guilty in civil court , so if there were a number of women with similar stories or worse , possibly skirting the age barrier, based on the pictures Michael Wolff reports that epstein showed him, who knows , i am only surmising based on how hard he is working to keep them on lockdown and all of his previous behaviour. But men like that , don't just behave badly once or twice. I would imagine he would be wrapped up in legality for years if it all came to light at once with the possibility of destabilising the government because who wants to align themselves with a prolific abuser, if that were found to be the case. The republicans who want to carry on after he is gone may not be so prepared to stand by him if the midterms dont go his way. If he is guilty there is always the possibility he could give himself immunity from prosecution on exiting the Whitehouse, if that is even a thing, or indeed if he ever does leave given his maneuverings to permit a 3rd term.

(Although I must say that having been familiar with TracingWoodgrains' work for some years through Blocked & Reported, I did have a latent base-level world model where Utah was actually full of Mormon gamer furries)

Utah Mormonism --> trans furry gamer culture must have been a hell of a switch!

Assuming reports are accurate, I think the striking thing is that he doesn’t decide to move away to a state that would be more accommodating of his lifestyle.

Apparently he just finds somewhere comfortable to keep gaming.

He has already been found liable for committing sexual abuse.

We already know about his wider reputation.

We know from the last election that a majority of American voters don’t care.

The story circulating is that Lance Twigs was apparently thrown out by his parents when he was 17 when he came out and they disowned him.

This does not tally with the fact that Lance and Tyler were living in a flat owned by the Twiggs family and they were financially supporting Lance still, including for health insurance.

It's another of those stories of disconnect where someone is apparently so hated that their parents still are willing to support financially despite being accused of hating and the person is willing to accept that help from the people who hate so much.

We need to talk about those hatey bigoted nasty Mormon Christian parents.

Or we start to have conversations about adult children grifting off parents and disengaging from the adult real world and all its responsibilities so they can play out their online fantasies and play more computer games.

I realise that, doesn't negate the fact there could be worse out there. If what Michael wolf reported is true, and the pictures come out, and they're underage well hopefully America hasn't sunk so low that that is OK. Even if it ruins his reputation post administration or after his demise and he isn't revered as something to be admired , for the women who were abused by him that would be some kind of solace and justice.

The nature of my work involves young people (aged 16-25) who have been ‘kicked out’ of the family home. There is about a 50/50 split between those whose families have ‘disowned them’ and those who offer financial support and work hard at trying to maintain a relationship.

In the case of a young person experiencing significant mental health issues, or living a lifestyle that conflicts with other family member’s values, I can imagine the family determining that their young person could not continue living with them but provide alternative housing and other supports.

It's not impossible that Lance was thrown out by his parents, and that's still a common enough experience in LGB and T communities that people will jump to that conclusion.

Alternatively, the family ethos in Mormonism is incredibly strong, and there's definitely a type of very conservative parents who will be far too indulgent towards their slacker adult kids.

Take your pick.

Interesting the Mormon family dynamic.
Now the FBI is investigating Armed Queers SLC ...and they have received NGO money.

I was going to say, I’ve seen that lurking on TRA forums that they are still being supported by their parents although they don’t get on. There have even been support threads here where mum is still paying for uni etc.

They’re probably hoping their sons/daughters might grow out of it eventually.