Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

No. People are concerned that someone has been murdered for his views and that people are using his views to justify it.

Declaring certain views as harmful or dangerous as justification for murder is a slippery slope.

Someone may consider your views antagonizing and reprehensible.

Many feminists played this game, until someone considered their feminist views as hateful.

Kirk blamed birth control for making “young ladies” “angry and bitter.”

He said, “We basically told a great generation of young women’ don’t get married, don’t have kids, go get a corporate job,’ and it’s created mass political hysteria. And then in their early 30s they get really upset because they say, ‘you know, the boys don’t want to date me anymore,’ because they’re not at their prime and people get mad when I say that — well, it’s just true.”

females over 30 “aren’t attractive in the dating pool,”

Kirk consistently denied the existence of white privilege, calling it a “racist lie,” and was a public critic of Critical Race Theory (CRT). He called George Floyd a “scumbag” at one campus event, and made repeated disputed claims about Floyd’s death.

He frequently argued that the legacy of Martin Luther King Jr. is exaggerated, calling King “awful… not a good person.” He called the Civil Rights Movement "a huge mistake."

I am and suspect most on here are.

After all were in UK where we had one school shooting and our already restrictive gun laws got more restictive.

But there are just so many school shooting in USA - I just don't "get" the culture that allows that situation to go on and on. I've also seen many threads on the subject over years and posted on them.

I suspect it's fairly main stream opinion here at least that school shooting being routine in USA society is bad and to be really worried that having the "wrong" opinion left or right can lead to public assinations is also bad.

Using kids being shot as whataboutery/distraction because some don't like the poltics of a man very openly shot - is a sign frankly of moral bankruptcy and I'm frankly disturbed so many on social media I watch think this is acceptable behavior and some sort of clap back.

This is not ‘live by the sword, die by the sword’ it’s ’live by a controversial podcast, die by a sniper’s bullet’.

These are not equivalent things.

A murderer and someone with views you disagree with are not the equivalent.

Young men on both sides are violent, and they are resentful.

And by “young men” I’m most certainly including many of those who “identify as women” and “non binary” and I think a lot of them need to be monitored.

They don't need to be. Kirk was a bad man, killed by a worse man?

Still not going to make me shed a tear.

24 gun deaths is rather different to the 45,000 in the US each year. no?

There is a tragic irony in him being killed by the gun culture he defended.

I still can't believe it's happened really.

Yes he had a lot of views that many people would dislike but to kill him for it? I just can't get my head around it.

I have seen so many clips of him online over the last year or so where he has debates with people and although he is very forthright in his own views, I have always found him respectful of those arguing against him. I don't see how anyone could hate him enough to just kill him.

I don't like anything that he stood for, however he was a human being, a father and husband and I find it abhorrent that people are laughing, celebrating and sharing the footage of him being shot.

I have no idea how we as a species have become how we are today.

The gun has been found and had pro trans scrawlings on ammo, according to NY post

x.com/nypost/status/1966160408718274982?s=46&t=ALGAiHxwK3XXeRoDQylnWA

If they held the same political influence as Charlie Kirk, then I would hope it would. However, most of his high-profile opponents who debated him publicly (such as Dean Withers and Tilly Middlehurst) have strongly condemned his assassination.

I don’t think the death of an ordinary citizen, simply because they vote Republican or Democrat, is comparable. Charlie Kirk’s death is shocking precisely because his name was synonymous with extreme policies and uncomfortably ironic given he was killed by the weapon he defended the right to bear. Pointing this out is not gloating.

Of which nearly half are suicide.
That is the bit that really makes me upset.

This. What about JK Rowling? I already posted evidence that posters on Bluesky (the “kind” platform) are openly celebrating and suggesting who the next victim should be, and of course many think she deserves anything she gets.

Probably best to fact check before posting!

I’m guessing as you said there wasn’t one thread on the shooting that you were not outraged enough to start one yourself?

It is gloating. It’s smug and self righteous.

He was adamant that all these gun deaths are "the price we have to pay" for "gun freedom", and that it was a price he was happy to pay. And he did.

These reports are still unverified (at time of writing). This is a direct quote from the article: "the agency was unable to confirm that the description matched the evidence recovered at the scene".

I think we need to be careful about not drawing conclusions before we have the facts of the matter. Maybe these reports are correct, but I don't think it helps to keep sharing what, at this point, amounts to nothing more than rumour.

None of these opinions are crimes worthy of capital punishment.

(and tbf depo provera made me fat, spotty, angry, depressed and utterly misanthropic, although that was all hormonal effects rather than societal effects)

If he had been stabbed would your opinion change?

The one right in the middle of the first picture, “Dusky” has a Scotland flag. I wonder when the armed police will turn up to arrest after this incitement to violence? 🤔

Oh, I’ve seen several news channels reporting it.

Meh. When Nancy Pelosi's 82 year old husband Paul was attacked and gravely injured in his home home, Charlie Kirk encouraged 'patriots' to become 'mid-term heroes' by bailing the suspect out of jail.

This is really not the guy whose hill I would die on in terms of revulsion at distasteful reactions to his death. He'd probably be there leading the charge had the victim been someone whose views HE disagreed with.