Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

[feministmom4ever]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

These are all vile.

I have more to add soon

For now, one correction: Shapiro's attempted assassin was an independent until 2024 when he tried to convince his family to vote Trump

https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-governor-mansion-fire-motive-cody-balmer-734827f6c29d7b3064af442e729d10d7?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=share

So, I think it's fair to say he was on the right.

There are anti-Israel anti semitic crazies on the US right too, and while Palestine fanaticism is rarer there it does exist.

Probably a DEI reference. The US flight industry DID lower standards to get more black pilots.

How did you generate this list of resources?

It's not AI and you are doing the same thing you accuse the left of doing by shutting down polite conversation 😂

I can say wholeheartedly, that trans rights have not had any direct impact on my experience as a black woman (I have never been attacked, threatened or directly experienced a loss of rights by or from trans people) but I do recognise that other women have had different experiences.

However, I have been sexually assaulted and harassed by sexist men. I have been racially abused, spat on and called the n word by white racists. I have been told to go home more times than I remember by xenophobes (of all ethnicities). And all my black female friends have had similar experiences- it's not uncommon.

As a result, my experiences as a black woman have informed where I sit on the political spectrum and indirectly inform the views expressed in my "straw manning gish gallop of a post".

I do wonder at how some women will vote for a party because of their stance on a single issue, while ignoring that party's policies on other important issues that cause very real suffering to groups affected by racism, xenophobia, loss of access to free healthcare, homophobia, poverty, ablism etc.

Do you have a credible source?

Getting more black pilots is done by creating academies targeting BAME people, not lowering standards.

We're talking about the USA though...so that's why I've limited my examples to extreme and left policies in the US. Not sure what other countries have to do with it?

You largely went off on a massive tangent. I wasn’t looking to argue whether extremists to the right or left were worse. It’s very much context dependent. But what you basically said was that the only problem with the left was that they were too progressive for people.

i don’t consider the trans agenda progressive in any sense of the word, personally. I can argue at length why not.

Are you serious?

Can you give us a tutorial on how you would ask AI to generate a list of resources for you for a list of quotes?

And then post a screenshot of the results?

Because I obviously don't have your skills.

They can’t respond to the points you made.

And they’re using the supposed AI thing as an excuse not to engage.

Also, if you weren’t using AI, I apologise for that, and touché.

I can say wholeheartedly, that trans rights have not had any direct impact on my experience as a black woman (I have never been attacked, threatened or directly experienced a loss of rights by or from trans people) but I do recognise that other women have had different experiences.

Just to be clear, you may not have had any direct experience of issues with people who identify as trans but all women lose rights when men are included in our category. You may not have chosen to exercise those rights, or even want them, but you do lose them.

It doesn't matter where it is, ideology is the same wherever it is geographically located.

The idea that somehow extreme left is better than extreme right is laughable.

I just came across this. Charlie Kirk's exchange with a trans person.

https://x.com/MegynKellyShow/status/1966244523257798728/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1966244523257798728&currentTweetUser=MegynKellyShow&mode=profile

It shows respect and honesty.

It's so bizarre.

Jo Cox was shot with a homemade gun. (Her killer was particularly stirred up by Nigel Farage’s Brexit rhetoric. He also idolised the British far right, shouting Britain first as he shot and stabbed her. “Prosecutors acknowledge privately that the febrile atmosphere in which the EU referendum campaign was waged appears certain to have contributed to Mair’s decision to murder his MP, but this played no part in their case. There was no need to refer to the referendum in order to establish his guilt.” https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder )

Sir David Amess MP was murdered by an Islamic state sympathiser, allegedly because of his voting record on Syrian air strikes.

Many MPs have been murdered by the IRA.

So it’s not just something that could happen in this country, it’s something that has happened and can happen.

Extreme rhetoric, stoking fear or hatred on any side of a political issue can lead some individuals to take extremist actions. This is possible on all sides and so all political and high profile figures should remember the influence they have and the possible consequences when saying stuff for rage bait or to intentionally sow division.

The idea that somehow extreme left is better than extreme right is laughable

There ARE differences. Racial hierarchies and racial oppression tend to be fundamental to right wing ideologies. This isn’t usually the case on the left, however extreme they may be.

They are both oppressive, how they enact it doesn't change that. Unless you think that racial hierarchies/oppression trumps all other forms of oppression?

It doesn't matter that the sources are real or not.

What matters is that the poster used AI to generate the list. The poster has been caught out and deflecting instead of owning up to it.

Using a LLM can undermine your point, so it should be used with caution especially in discussions that are this inflammatory.

So did you use a LLM to generate the list of resources?

This is not true. All pilots in the US, as elsewhere, have to complete exactly the same training, pass exactly the same tests, and achieve exactly the same minimum number of flying hours to achieve pilot certification.
There's no shortcut to certification for anybody, black, white, male, female.

I actually agree with you.

But I also think that USA is a cesspool of hate and violence, and even the moderate right wing views are rooted in a deep and unpleasant history of genocide, slavery, racism and Christian fundamentalism.

History has repeatedly taught us that after a significant shift or movement towards liberalism, there will always be significant backlash (i.e. 1950s female subservience as a direct response to the rise in feminism and greater female independence during and after WW2).

In 2008, America elected its first black President, just 40 years after the civil rights movement. Shortly after, it introduced the concept of universal healthcare - the most socialist policy America has ever had. Many people in America will have lived during a time where blacks and whites were segregated - racism doesn't disappear overnight so I imagine it came as a shock to many older white people who may have opposed civil rights (as Charlie Kirk did). So, I do think the rise in right-wing extremism was a backlash against this political shift post-Obama.

Just watched an excerpt from Megyn Kelly (who theatrically wept her way through yesterday's recording) announcing:

"Charlie Kirk's killer engraved the ammunition used to murder him with pro-transgender ideology to the surprise of absolutely no-one."

Was quite surprised, as a GC person, to realise my first reaction to this was "oh give it a rest, you dreadful fucking woman." .

I hope for the sake of transpeople (and more widely the LGBT) community this person did NOT scratch any pro-trans messages on the gun as this will only stoke the fires even further.

Dreadful Fucking Woman is a good description of Megyn Kelly.

I didn’t say racism trumps other forms of oppression.

My point was that racial hierarchy is foundational to right wing ideologies but not left wing ones.

I think this does make the extreme right ‘worse’ than the extreme left (wrt your post about this being laughable)

Talking to bots is boring as fuck though, even if there is a human in the middle copy pasting the bot chat.

I guess it would be OK if each post began with a ‘this is a ChatGPT copy paste’ disclaimer because then anyone not interested in bot aggregations could easily scroll by?

No, I didn’t. And can you now screenshot how you would bring up those 3 links I posted using AI?

You keep ignoring that because you can’t do it.