Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

People are gloating all over social media. Other people are openly celebrating and calling for people to be “next”. People like JK Rowling, Joe Rogan, etc.

You're having a laugh, I understand. I shall waste no more of my time.

Likewise.

Do you mean X and Facebook? Those places are cesspits. There are very rational people there.

No I mean BlueSky actually.

I think abortion rights are used as a useful issue by both Democrats and Republicans. Why didn’t the Democrats at any point since 1973 work to codify Roe v Wade? Because it was an issue that was always considered less important than whatever other legislation they were trying to pass….sounds familiar doesn’t it? “Why do you care about sex based rights when there is this other more important thing to worry about right now?”

You know, the platform for kind left leaning people which is a carbon copy of Twitter and which they all left for.

The danger is that the killer has managed to 'prove him right'.

The danger is that in martyring someone with such appalling views you amplify them in a way that goes beyond anything he ever would have done in life. They become untouchable.

This may, in time, be characterised as the 'Anti-JFK' moment. A profound moment in the rise of the conservative right.

This is not good.

JFK was a deeply flawed man who got an incredibly good pr boost after his death. There is no way he would have been remembered the same way if he hadn't met his death in the way he did. He was involved in two many dodgy things. Much of this is forgotten due to the manner of his death.

The problem is you change from rational debate to one of raw emotion. It changes the nature and momentum of politics profoundly.

Bluesky is dreadful today.

Perfectly put, Red.

It’s fascinating to see the way posters on this thread seem to take issue only with his views on abortion rights and whether women are old at age 30+

His white supremacist rhetoric has been waved away as though it’s background noise.

And when his racism IS brought up, the pattern seems to be: demand “proof,” get the proof, then pretend it doesn’t exist.

If nasty comments about his death spark more outrage here than his white supremacist campaigning then that says everything about where the priorities lie.

He said:

“If some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out… Bail him out and then go ask him some questions”.

Bear in mind that the attacker was a far-right Trump believer who planned to take Nancy Pelosi hostage and interrogate her.

I guess it all is tied to the 'thou shalt not kill' commandment. I would have a different interpretation of that. But hey 🤷

I think that my views and that of CK would hit a stalemate in debate, as I think we'd be looking at matters from such a different lense.

But BUT! I would so much rather have that conversation than have a person gunned down.

I really enjoyed listening to his arguments. I didn't agree with all of them, at all! But that's what learning is all about.

😂🤣 Well said

Well he definitely deserved to be shot then.

Seriously?

The US Undersecretary of State, Christopher Landau, says "appropriate action" will be taken against "foreigners who glorify violence".

In a post on X, Landau says he has been "disgusted" to see comments on social media "praising, rationalising or making light" of the killing of Charlie Kirk and those who "glorify violence and hatred" are "not welcome visitors" to the country.

He says he has directed consular officials to "undertake appropriate action" and tells his followers "to bring such comments by foreigners to my attention so that the State Department can protect the American people".

In a response to a tweet, Landau then says he will direct consular officials to monitor the comments to his post.

Civilised nations don't do the death penalty. Whatever your views on this Charlie Kirk, assassination is NOT the answer. Interesting that people are more worked up about this than the school shootings in minnesota, where little kids were murdered.

This murder is Trump's burning Reichstag. God only knows what sort of legislation he will force through after this.

I guess it all is tied to the 'thou shalt not kill' commandment. I would have a different interpretation of that. But hey 🤷

Kirk didn't say 'thou shalt not kill' but he did say ' "Thou shalt lay with another man and be stoned to death"... just saying'.

What dodgy things do you mean? He was a horrible husband ofc. Are you a Marilyn Monroe murder theorist? I have suspicions myself.

He did get the US more heavily into Vietnam. What else?

What dodgy things do you mean? He was a horrible husband ofc. Are you a Marilyn Monroe murder theorist? I have suspicions myself.

He did get the US more heavily into Vietnam. What else?

Is he off his rocker? A white man kills another white man and they still look to blame 'foreigners'.

It’s wild how, in today’s world, if someone doesn’t agree with your views, they’re instantly labelled a bigot or a racist. Yet Charlie never carried himself that way. He was wholly respectful and loving, even to those who opposed him, no matter how hostile or unreasonable they seemed. That’s something I always want to highlight: this is absolutely spiritual.
Charlie was a godly man who loved Christ. He called out the madness of the age and stood firm for the long-lost normalcy of the world. Personally, I don’t believe this was random. Given the distance, the precision, and the single shot, it feels more like a professional job. The likelihood, in my view, is that Charlie had a future of real influence, perhaps even running for president one day. He was a man of faith who would not be compromised.
I don’t think this was just some random “nut” with opposing beliefs. Most who disagreed with Charlie would never have had the courage to act on it. I believe this went deeper. As the Bible says, those in darkness will hate the light.

It’s fascinating how people haven’t understood that this is bigger than just Charlie Kirk’s murder. It’s also fascinating how brutal murder appears to be fine for the morally superior if you’ve said bad things, and that people pointing out the wrongness of that are apparently the ones in the wrong.

We know on this board and have ample evidence that many of the activist men on the left, both the ones who “identify as women” and the bog standard violent misogynists, think ordinary women like us (and particularly prominent women like JKR, Rosie Duffield, Helen Joyce) who don’t believe in gender identity ideology justify violence against us for our refusal to concede and our campaigns for our rights. And that’s why we’re worried that this is going to end up in indiscriminate bloodshed, with some little shit killing a woman for objecting to “trans rights” (demands). This is the feminist board and it’s largely why so many of us are calling this out.

Of course not- but people’s lives have been made significantly worse by his views. Easy enough to dismiss from across the pond, but the reality is that the U.S. is in turmoil. Many are living with the consequences: loss of access to healthcare, overt racism, deportations of friends and family, denial of abortion rights, loss of jobs and business, poverty, and more.

In a country where you can purchase a gun in a supermarket, it’s sadly no surprise that political figures are being targeted for promoting the very views that have caused such hardship. The violence is wrong- but it is also entirely predictable when people feel hopeless and powerless. As I’ve said before, political extremism is never a victimless position, and yet again someone has lost their life because of a failure to recognise that truth.

I think bc he was probably talking about DEI, which gave underqualified people, including white women, black men and black women jobs on the basis of being black and/or female.

It seems a really weird comment though since afaik they didn't benefit from affirmative action. I certainly wouldn't call Michelle Obama or either of the Jacksons stupid. Don't know anything about Joy Reid so can't comment on her.