Charlie Kirk shot during a debate about trans people

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086277/Charlie-Kirks-final-words-assassinated-Utah-dead.html

I didn’t agree with many of his political views, but I liked how he interacted with college students who couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman?”.

No one has said the brutal murder is fine.

The people who will bear the brunt of this will be school kids and ethnic minorities in the US.

I am dreading the 'revenge'.

I never said he “deserved” anything.

What I said, and what still stands, is that it’s remarkable how little curiosity there is about his white supremacist campaigning.

The martyr machine is in overdrive.

But they don't even need a martyr, there are a dozen Charlie Kirks waiting to step into his shoes.

I'd never heard of him. He seems to have spouted some absolutely revolting opinions, and I'm horrified that someone with views like his was apparently celebrated. But the fact that people are cheering his assassination, let alone calling for further attacks, is genuinely terrifying. Would they be as happy if Jeremey Corbyn was murdered by someone who disliked his opinions? Greta Thunberg? Obama? JKR? As this is what they are arguing for, people to be murdered at will by anyone who dislikes what they have to say. Who in their right mind would think this would be a good thing?!

You are asking me to go back on this and I've genuinely forgotten more than I remember but I did an essay on the image of JFK about thirty years ago and whether it was overly favourable. It was sourced from proper text books and everything - nothing about Marilyn. He was mixed up in stuff he shouldn't be, he would have aged, he was a womanising prick and I concluded he has definitely been given an easy ride by history because he embodied a moment in time and a positive era rather than because he did masses of good stuff. A lot of things which were done in his name were done after he died and not by him.

If I could actually remember any of it, i'd share but honestly I remember the sum total of fuck all but I still have the books!

Still, it got good marks!

How is it respectful and loving to say that women on the Pill are automatically 'crazy and bitter?

Or that women over 30 are by default 'past their prime' and understandably men wouldn't be interested? (Tho hypocritically he married a 32yo)

Or the wild accusations that Michelle Obama& those other women are stupid & only got where they are bc they are black?

And do you think it's 'loving and respectful' to say that stoning men to death for having gay sex is 'God's perfect law'?

Unless maybe you see stoning for gay sex as 'standing up for long-lost normalcy against madness'..?

Is that all 'godly' and 'spiritual' to you?

I was unaware of this man before his death. I’m still learning about what he said. I suspect I’d have been outraged about most of it including any racism. I am still outraged at his death.

Killing people who are wrong, who we disagree with, who we disapprove of… is still always wrong.

Whatever he said could not be worse than what his murderer did.

That’s not really what the thread is about. If you want to argue with his supporters and have people justify his actions, you’ll have to go on Truth Social or something, because here there are just people who don’t agree with or justify violence in any circumstances, and don’t make light of people being murdered or act smug about it. That’s all that’s important to me and many others on the thread in this instance.

This.

No one here thinks it's a good thing. I wouldn't even go on X/FB for opinions, nothing rational there.

It’s BlueSky that this is happening on. The left leaning morally superior platform.

It's not for you to say what the thread is about. I thought she made an interesting point

So what does that have to do with here?

Why would you think there will be ‘revenge’? It’s the left who like to cancel people out who have different opinions to their own. I’m very doubtful that there’s going to be revenge against children and ethnic minorities. You’re just hyperboling….

I’m sure you did. My point still stands.

It’s social media for the righteous people 🙄 it was you who tried to claim the only problem is with X and FB.

There are some extreme views being shared, which will likely lead to more violence:

• Donald Trump blamed “radical left political violence,” saying it’s responsible not only for Kirk’s death but also other recent attacks.
• Laura Loomer, a conservative activist, called for the Trump administration to “shut down, defund, & prosecute every single Leftist organization,” labeling the left a “national security threat”.
• Elon Musk posted to his 225 million followers: “The Left is the party of murder”.
• Rep. Nancy Mace and others in Congress echoed similar sentiments, with some shouting “You all caused this” during a moment of silence for Kirk.
• The phrase “This is war” has been used repeatedly by right-wing influencers, suggesting a shift toward more aggressive political confrontation.

Where did I claim that?

I can't speak about platforms I've never been on.

Of course not- but

My husband is American and a Democrat. He equally is against violence and this murder.

You have your opinion. But it doesn't mean that others should not have theirs.

You are assuming your opinion is right. Many across the pond would not agree. Which is why debate is needed.

Which bit of what she said was wrong?

The trouble with the modern left is the belief that they are on the "right side of history" and that no matter how revolting they are they have history on their side, until they don't.

People like Glinner, JKR, KJK were very much in the left until they fell out over the trans issue, and then suddenly they became abhorrent people.

The people here justifying this guy's murder will find that there will be an issue that they believe in that suddenly becomes abhorrent and by their own logic can be justifiably murdered for it. Be careful what you wish for.

I notice there's a lot of "don't point fingers" today, because they know they've stoked the hatred and don't want to bear the brunt of what could come next.

Yes no one yet knows who did it or why he was shot.

Very dangerous to make unsubstantiated allegations against left or right....

..will just lead to further killings.

In the clip I saw he was talking about hind not trans anything.

It's ironic that you use language like 'revolting' and 'abhorrent' about others to show that you're better.

JKR is still a liberal on the left, and she is in no way abhorrent.

You know the far right also commit violence? & always have.