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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stats on violent assault - trans people

103 replies

ItsCoolForCats · 08/09/2025 16:52

I frequently see stats bandied about and claims made on social media that trans people are much more likely to be the victim of violent assault than 'cis' people. For example, here is Helen Webberley claiming that "...trans people are 4 x more likely to be victim of violent assault than cisgender people, just because of their identity". https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1natr6o/graham_linehan_arrest_setting_piers_morgan/

Does anyone know where they are getting these stats from, as I rarely see a source referenced.

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IwantToRetire · 09/09/2025 20:02

Helleofabore · 09/09/2025 19:43

Sorry?

The OP asked where the sound bite around ‘four times’ comes from.

Why is it that they haven’t taken the sound bite from that press release?

The OP was asking about Webberly’s point. I don’t think it is irrelevant to point out where that ‘four times’ sound bite has been used, even in the UK. I don’t think any of us disagree that it is irrelevant. Of course it is.

It was only a "for example" not that the whole thread should be about that on instance.

IwantToRetire · 09/09/2025 20:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2025 19:23

No, the protected characteristic for criminal purposes is “transgender identity”.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime

Which still doesn't explain why there are no stats for recorded crimes of acts of violence against those with a transgender identity.

If there is an acceptence of identity for criminal purposes why are there no stats for those with this identity who have suffered violence.

amibeingaknob · 09/09/2025 20:05

Also I read a study that showed that what trans people defined as 'violent assault' was subjective. Which meant it included 'you misgendered me/told me i wasnt a woman/looked at me funny/didn't say I looked pretty.

So yeh, i call BS on it.

Wherehasthecatgone · 09/09/2025 20:05

Helleofabore · 09/09/2025 19:58

Ok. The number change doesn’t really Impact the data trends. As you point out the number of crimes is not significant.

Yet, this paper has been quoted so often! It is so dishonest.

I was reinforcing your point, not criticising it!

Helleofabore · 09/09/2025 20:06

IwantToRetire · 09/09/2025 20:02

It was only a "for example" not that the whole thread should be about that on instance.

Great to know that it is still relevant and we can discuss it as an example.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2025 20:07

IwantToRetire · 09/09/2025 20:04

Which still doesn't explain why there are no stats for recorded crimes of acts of violence against those with a transgender identity.

If there is an acceptence of identity for criminal purposes why are there no stats for those with this identity who have suffered violence.

Edited

I fully agree. But I think we do know why.

Wherehasthecatgone · 09/09/2025 20:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2025 19:55

I think you make a valid point in saying how small the sample is. Remember the PACE study about suicide ideation relied upon by Stonewall and Mermaids depended on 15 out of only 27 “trans” people remembering that they had “attempted suicide” which could include most self harm. And it was dishonestly presented as a survey of 2000 people.

Ah yes, the study relied on for why teenagers should transition that referred to people under 26 and included those post-transition. Plus recruited from a ‘self help’ website.

Helleofabore · 09/09/2025 20:08

Wherehasthecatgone · 09/09/2025 20:05

I was reinforcing your point, not criticising it!

I understood that. And I appreciate the correction. Thank you.

It really is a bonkers conclusion that they thought to give prominence.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2025 20:13

Wherehasthecatgone · 09/09/2025 20:08

Ah yes, the study relied on for why teenagers should transition that referred to people under 26 and included those post-transition. Plus recruited from a ‘self help’ website.

Edited

Which was the kind of convenience sample TRAs have claimed makes other research worthless or “propaganda”.

IwantToRetire · 09/09/2025 20:20

Helleofabore · 09/09/2025 20:06

Great to know that it is still relevant and we can discuss it as an example.

It isn't relevant in trying to find out why no one is recording actual figures when is it clear that in terms of the legal system it is recognised as a crime but not apparently record.

On example of how people make things up isn't the answer to why the official system doesn't record this.

Although of a minor inerest that those you would have thought would be most outraged that this isn't happening aren't demanding that it is.

Seems we could probably collect the stats just by asking contributors to FWR which could then be a source of actual facts.

Although does assume the media will be reporting these court cases as I dont think, wide ranging as FWR is that there are enough with enough time to be sitting in courts days after day.

Account734 · 09/09/2025 20:30

I hold these trans facts in the same regard as I hold trans biology.

IwantToRetire · 09/09/2025 21:19

Account734 · 09/09/2025 20:30

I hold these trans facts in the same regard as I hold trans biology.

Grin
BlaBlaBlaBlaBlaBlaBlaBlaBlaBla · 09/09/2025 21:29

The stats about Trans deaths come from Brazil figures and I think I read they were related to the sex trade. I’m not sure what U.K. stats are? I know a few women each week are killed by men.

Wherehasthecatgone · 09/09/2025 22:56

BlaBlaBlaBlaBlaBlaBlaBlaBlaBla · 09/09/2025 21:29

The stats about Trans deaths come from Brazil figures and I think I read they were related to the sex trade. I’m not sure what U.K. stats are? I know a few women each week are killed by men.

They are generally worldwide figures they quote. But Brazil has an extraordinarily high murder rate and trans identified men are murdered at a rate that is an order of magnitude less than other men.

In the UK there are more trans murderers than trans murdered of which there have been about ten in the last fifteen years, and none have been murdered for being trans. Drugs are the most common motivation

childofthe607080s · 09/09/2025 23:18

In Brazil it’s the murder rate of prostetutes compared to the trans population that is relavant as so many are prostitutes

Hellohelga · 09/09/2025 23:49

Trans issues are high on the media agenda and yet the only murder I’ve ever heard of is Brianna Ghey and I’ve never heard of any serious violent assault. Wouldn’t it be on the news?

IwantToRetire · 10/09/2025 01:17

Hellohelga · 09/09/2025 23:49

Trans issues are high on the media agenda and yet the only murder I’ve ever heard of is Brianna Ghey and I’ve never heard of any serious violent assault. Wouldn’t it be on the news?

Exactly that's what I've been saying.

And yet people going on quoting quotes they haven't verified, and in the face on there being no news reports.

Namelessnelly · 10/09/2025 06:01

Hellohelga · 09/09/2025 23:49

Trans issues are high on the media agenda and yet the only murder I’ve ever heard of is Brianna Ghey and I’ve never heard of any serious violent assault. Wouldn’t it be on the news?

Bur Brianna wasn’t murdered for being trans. They were just chosen as the first victim the killers selected was not accessible.

WarriorN · 10/09/2025 06:16

Technically Brianna is classed as a child victim.

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 10/09/2025 10:31

I imagine its because, much like the words ‘woman’, ‘female’ and ‘sex’, they’ve changed the definition of ‘victimisation’, ‘violent’ and ‘hate crime’ to mean whatever the fuck they want it to mean

IwantToRetire · 10/09/2025 18:01

Namelessnelly · 10/09/2025 06:01

Bur Brianna wasn’t murdered for being trans. They were just chosen as the first victim the killers selected was not accessible.

Well that shows you cant rely on newspaper headlines!

And how effective the Rainbow pressure group is.

Had totally forgotten that the intended victim was someone else.

MarvellousMonsters · 10/09/2025 18:20

Waitingfordoggo · 08/09/2025 17:47

Around one in every four trans women who were victims of a violent crime believed it to be due to their gender identity. In comparison, only one in every ten cis women believed it to be due to their gender identity.

Two things interest me about that statement.

  1. If they had used the word ‘sex’ instead of ‘gender identity’ when interviewing the women, they might have got a different answer.
  2. We know that a lot of women are still very naïve about just how misogynistic many men are.

Around one in every four trans women who were victims of a violent crime believed it to be due to their gender identity.

Ok, they believed it to be due to them being trans.

They believed it.

“I was attacked because I’m trans”

Stats on violent assault - trans people
Wherehasthecatgone · 10/09/2025 20:26

MarvellousMonsters · 10/09/2025 18:20

Around one in every four trans women who were victims of a violent crime believed it to be due to their gender identity.

Ok, they believed it to be due to them being trans.

They believed it.

“I was attacked because I’m trans”

A grand total of FOUR trans identified men believed that in that study.

Maeven · 14/09/2025 07:59

Heya, I'm a trans girl and idrk about the statistics exactly but I was attacked twice since moving to Brighton, the attackers in one instance were shouting anti trans slurs, so for me personally the random violence against me has definitely increased...

Edit: That's twice this year by the way.