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Graham Linehan arrested on arrival at Heathrow Part 4

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IDareSay · 07/09/2025 21:33

These threads have mostly been used to follow the case that has taken place at Westminster Magistrate's Court over the 4th and 5th September, (and will continue on the 29th October), but were created to follow the fallout of Graham's arrest at Heathrow on his return to the UK for this court case last week, and what is allegedly a conspiracy of TRAs to intimidate and harass a number of people, including Graham, with the alleged support of various police services.

He is currently on trial for alleged harassment of a trans identified male and criminal damage to the man's phone. The charges stem from a series of events in October 2024 at Battle of Ideas.

Part 1 here
Part 2 here
Part 3 here
Graham's account of the arrest here
You can support his Substack here
Or buy him a coffee here

Free Speech Union are running a fundraiser to support a claim against the Met in reference to the Heathrow arrest. Just search FSU and Graham Linehan fundraiser and it should be easy to find. At the time of posting it has reached 64% of its stretch target.
The FSU have managed to get the bail condition that @Glinner must not post on X removed, so he is now freely posting on there again.

Most of the mainstream media have reported on the case, but none have covered it as well as Nick Wallis. Follow him on X for live posting from the court again on 29th October.
You can support Nick here (posted Friday 5th September):
"I am deeply grateful to everyone who has seen fit to bung me the cost of a coffee, a pint or even a bloody London pint since I found out I was able to come back today. If you think you can afford to make a small donation, there’s more info here:"
https://store29806256.company.site

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ErrolTheDinosaur · 08/09/2025 11:03

2021x · 08/09/2025 10:52

Everyone is getting harmed now, and there is a wave of hurt on the horizon that hasn't even started yet.

It has completely undermined the trust people have in important institutions; health, police, education and lawmakers. Its going to take decades to put that right.

Noone is covering themselves in glory either now we are getting to the desperate part. I do believe this is really going to affect same-sex acceptance and thats doubly difficult for lesbians .

I see the Rainbow Flag as a sign of misogny now and I won't support any business that has it displayed. We had a cheesecake day at work and all the cheesecakes (34-ish) were eaten except for the two (politically motivated) rainbow cheesecakes which only had a couple of slices taken out of them.

What a fucking mess

This is obviously playing out in the US too. The dynamics are different but the nett result of the ‘culture wars’ there seems likely that either way women in general and lesbians in particular will lose out, and their prized freedom of speech isn’t applied evenly.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 11:04

ErrolTheDinosaur · 08/09/2025 11:03

This is obviously playing out in the US too. The dynamics are different but the nett result of the ‘culture wars’ there seems likely that either way women in general and lesbians in particular will lose out, and their prized freedom of speech isn’t applied evenly.

That's not accidental though is it? It's by design.

Namitynamename · 08/09/2025 11:23

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 09:22

It's exactly the same with transactivists. There are at most a couple of dozen (probably fewer) who are responsible for the bulk of the threats, the aggression, the reporting to the police, the reporting to employers, the letters and calls to venues etc. They have multiple sock puppets and they turn up on here as well to cause provocation, probably in the hope of Mumsnet getting sued or closed down.

I used to follow a lot of the cancellation stuff in pop culture, and the remarkable thing was that the cancel mobs often weren't mobs at all. We had a shorthand phrase "the 12 psychos on Twitter" and it wasn't always the same 12 people, but that gave you an idea. A small number of people driving it, backed up by a lot of social media slacktivists who wanted to be part of whatever the mob was angry about this week.

In a big cultural space like Harry Potter fandom, it might have been 200 psychos on Twitter.

In a small and declining space like comic books... the comic industry could have got rid of 80% of its drama just by firing Gail Simone, but for some unaccountable reason Marvel and DC were scared of her and kept offering her work.

And these days the 12 psychos are all on Bluesky.

Partly I think it's that companies (goverment agencies, the police, whoever) respond to the 12 people making complaints and don't consider the millions who don't. Basic elite theory: an organised minority beats an unorganised majority.

But if it's a handful of people wasting police time with vexatious complaints, I think we have to look at the incentive structure that encourages the police to humour them.

Also the media. Twitter etc was heavily populated by journalists and it's easier to write an article about what's trending on Twitter than travel to some random town and do interviews or to do proper investigative journalism. And newspaper budgets were severely reduced by the internet and journalists were under pressure to produce content so you can't blame them. But it meant things said online had a disproportionate impact and often semi-ironic online spats were taken as deadly serious. I also think there seemed/seems to be a lot of credulousness over how easy it is to game algorithms if you are a terminally online person, or someone with the bot farm or even the owner of the social media company. So then public discourse gets shaped by social media even for people who weren't on Twitter etc.

It's still very distorted - since Musk took over De for example the distortion has gone the other way but it's still not a true reflection of public opinion and can never be.
But lots of journalists and politicians now confuse "listening to people" as "reflecting what the craziest person on social media thinks". Not healthy.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 11:35

I find it ironic that you always get the 'politician with the pint' photos at election time to represent talking to 'the real man', but few actually do this in their constituency.

The death of pubs and pubculture is weirdly something which is driving more people into this online world of echo chambers rather than having those weird chats with randoms.

There's a long history and tradition in the UK where political debate often had it's genesis in the pub.

It became symbolic and a massive part of national identity that underpins the very idea of democratic engagement without formal structures. It's something every man could do.

Now, lots of communities no longer even have a pub, lots of people can't afford to go to the pub and many of those in parliament wouldn't step foot in a pub in their own community because they are so far removed from that community.

It's almost symbolic of the time.

The one politician that seems to be able to still pull off the chap down the pub photo is the same politician winning in the polls.

Occasional chats down the pub with randoms are genuinely one of my favourite things to do. Chats with friends are great but they aren't rewarding in the same way.

Social media isn't a substitute for that real world contact.

LizzieSiddal · 08/09/2025 11:39

As an aside, I really want to donate to Nick (can’t believe after his amazing work on the PO scandal that he isn’t fully employed by a media outlet)
However I’m a bit worried about the security of the donation site. It didn’t look anything like any other site, does anyone know if it is 100% secure?

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:01

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 11:35

I find it ironic that you always get the 'politician with the pint' photos at election time to represent talking to 'the real man', but few actually do this in their constituency.

The death of pubs and pubculture is weirdly something which is driving more people into this online world of echo chambers rather than having those weird chats with randoms.

There's a long history and tradition in the UK where political debate often had it's genesis in the pub.

It became symbolic and a massive part of national identity that underpins the very idea of democratic engagement without formal structures. It's something every man could do.

Now, lots of communities no longer even have a pub, lots of people can't afford to go to the pub and many of those in parliament wouldn't step foot in a pub in their own community because they are so far removed from that community.

It's almost symbolic of the time.

The one politician that seems to be able to still pull off the chap down the pub photo is the same politician winning in the polls.

Occasional chats down the pub with randoms are genuinely one of my favourite things to do. Chats with friends are great but they aren't rewarding in the same way.

Social media isn't a substitute for that real world contact.

That's definitely something very ingrained in English culture. I got interested in the history of the Muggletonians, who were one of those religious sects who sprang up around the Civil War, and it didn't surprise me at all that they held their meetings in pubs. The Quakers eventually became respectable but the Muggletonians never quite did.

The point about the 'politician with a pint' photo - people who've never seen Farage in person but only on broadcast mode won't get this. Obviously he's got an ego and loves the sound of his own voice, which is standard in politics. But if you ever see him interact with normie voters, he hardly says a word. He's listening all the time, he's interested in ordinary people and their stories. That's rare enough for people to pick up on it, even subconsciously.

I've become convinced that a lot of what passes for politics is really just status games. Now I've interacted professionally with serious politicians, but you even see it on the low level.

I might be vague on details here because of potential outing, but before I became seriously interested in the trans issue, I was quite plugged in to the left wing activist space, and I got very invested in the abuse of women in that space. Sometimes I mention the rape coverup scandal that split the SWP in 2013 - that wasn't unique, and I had been banging on about the issue for years prior, but I got quite optimistic that people might draw some conclusions about their political culture.

I was wrong about that optimism. People would make the minimum concession (the SWP was wrong to cover up for the rapist Martin Smith) and then they would pat themselves on the back for having taken the right position and not think about it any more.

So I'd come in saying, "Hang on, this is a longer term issue, I can cite XYZ cases", and nobody wanted to know. The victims weren't names to them, and the alleged guilty parties had status in "the movement", and I didn't have status, and pretty soon the reaction on Facebook was what Victoria Smith would have predicted - you can't listen to her, she's mad, why pay attention to these accusations against valued comrades...

So you become a designated acceptable target, and you're fair game for sniping and sneering and gaslighting, and then when they're trying to convince you that man are women and concerns about women's safety are a moral panic... well perhaps at that point you start to see the pattern and you say fuck you Colin, you've lied to me about everything else, and you decide you've nothing to lose by being disagreeable.

So the situation where Glinner wakes up to this issue and says, "This is outrageous, surely I just have to state the facts and everyone will wake up" - well, it doesn't work that way, and don't call me Shirley.

Possibly this is something Glinner failed to anticipate due to his privileged position, but if you've seen the script before, you can't miss the cues the second time around.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 12:19

I warned a few local and national politicians about what would come to pass in politics in time in 2016/7/8.

One called me the most astute person he'd ever come across politically. He still said my fears over gender identity were niche and not important.

I said that post Brexit I feared Labour and the Tories would ultimately implode with a loss of public trust and that the danger was Farage would rise again in that void because they both were promising the undeliverable and therefore were fundamentally dishonest and would feel like a betrayal to the public.

I also said that transgenderism represented an existential threat to democratic process and ability to speak the truth to power. And it wasn't just about women's rights or trans rights but something more profound that Brexit also represented in terms of telling the truth and accountability.

He's quite politics now as he's in his mid to late 80s. He always rather sheepishly looks at me now. I smile and he gives me half of one back.

I can't help but feel he knows i was right all along but hasn't got the guts to engage with me on it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2025 12:23

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 11:35

I find it ironic that you always get the 'politician with the pint' photos at election time to represent talking to 'the real man', but few actually do this in their constituency.

The death of pubs and pubculture is weirdly something which is driving more people into this online world of echo chambers rather than having those weird chats with randoms.

There's a long history and tradition in the UK where political debate often had it's genesis in the pub.

It became symbolic and a massive part of national identity that underpins the very idea of democratic engagement without formal structures. It's something every man could do.

Now, lots of communities no longer even have a pub, lots of people can't afford to go to the pub and many of those in parliament wouldn't step foot in a pub in their own community because they are so far removed from that community.

It's almost symbolic of the time.

The one politician that seems to be able to still pull off the chap down the pub photo is the same politician winning in the polls.

Occasional chats down the pub with randoms are genuinely one of my favourite things to do. Chats with friends are great but they aren't rewarding in the same way.

Social media isn't a substitute for that real world contact.

I know what you mean, I’m quite a chatty person and I don’t pester people but if they want to speak I’ll generally be up for a chat. I also enjoy random conversations in the pub, in cabs, in queues etc.

gotmyknickersinatwist · 08/09/2025 12:27

SinnerBoy · 07/09/2025 22:11

Again, fanks for the new FRED.

I'm still catching up on previous FREDS? threads, but I really need to know what this is about 😬

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2025 12:30

Loving the idea of the cheesecake day though (misses point of post!) as someone who once commuted into London for two hours with a chocolate ripple cheesecake I’d made for a work do. I love cheesecake.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 12:32

gotmyknickersinatwist · 08/09/2025 12:27

I'm still catching up on previous FREDS? threads, but I really need to know what this is about 😬

Lyndsay Watson (who reported Glinner to police over tweets resulting in his arrest on Wednesday) also reported a former Police Superintendent (a woman) for engaging with Freda Wallace after he threatened Helen Staniland with legal action for her gender critical position. She was arrested for telling 'Fred' to wind his neck in, which Lyndsay seems to think is 'hate'.

Thus now all threads on FWR are getting joked about as Freds.

ProfoundlyPeculiarAndWeird · 08/09/2025 12:33

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2025 12:30

Loving the idea of the cheesecake day though (misses point of post!) as someone who once commuted into London for two hours with a chocolate ripple cheesecake I’d made for a work do. I love cheesecake.

I love cheesecake AND I love the cheesecake-based political analysis in the No-one Ate The Rainbow One situation.

Could be a new format for focus groups. I'd be willing to participate.

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2025 12:30

Loving the idea of the cheesecake day though (misses point of post!) as someone who once commuted into London for two hours with a chocolate ripple cheesecake I’d made for a work do. I love cheesecake.

I used to work with a young lad who would sometimes bring into the office a peppermint Aero cheesecake that he'd made.

I wonder where he is now, and whether I could recruit him.

Tallisker · 08/09/2025 12:35

34 CHEESECAKES? <misses every other erudite and well-thought-out post>

Talkinpeace · 08/09/2025 12:37

If Glinner actually thinks he will be freer to write what he wants in the USA
he has misunderstood the place.

I understand why he got his Xtwitter account back (it was a dumb bail term)
but REALLY REALLY wish he had somebody who could tell him to chillax a lot.

BruachAbhann · 08/09/2025 12:43

ProfoundlyPeculiarAndWeird · 08/09/2025 12:33

I love cheesecake AND I love the cheesecake-based political analysis in the No-one Ate The Rainbow One situation.

Could be a new format for focus groups. I'd be willing to participate.

Ha! Me too! Cheesecake is my favourite dessert. Although, it'd be a great way to diet if I just stick a rainbow onto everything I shouldn't eat. I'd steer well clear.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2025 12:44

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 12:32

Lyndsay Watson (who reported Glinner to police over tweets resulting in his arrest on Wednesday) also reported a former Police Superintendent (a woman) for engaging with Freda Wallace after he threatened Helen Staniland with legal action for her gender critical position. She was arrested for telling 'Fred' to wind his neck in, which Lyndsay seems to think is 'hate'.

Thus now all threads on FWR are getting joked about as Freds.

There are also lots of long running MN chat threads where they are called “freds”. It’s particularly apt here though obvs.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2025 12:45

BruachAbhann · 08/09/2025 12:43

Ha! Me too! Cheesecake is my favourite dessert. Although, it'd be a great way to diet if I just stick a rainbow onto everything I shouldn't eat. I'd steer well clear.

You need to release a diet book, you could outsell Mounjaro 😂

borntobequiet · 08/09/2025 12:47

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:35

I used to work with a young lad who would sometimes bring into the office a peppermint Aero cheesecake that he'd made.

I wonder where he is now, and whether I could recruit him.

My DS used to make such a thing, he was much cherished for his cheesecakes. He works in a fairly niche profession. What sort of office was it?

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2025 12:45

You need to release a diet book, you could outsell Mounjaro 😂

It sounds funny, but I used to live round the corner from a place that made really nice cupcakes. Which were an awful tempation for me.

Until June came around and they were selling rainbow cupcakes to raise money for Stonewall, and I found my diet much easier to stick to 😀

(Why Stonewall though? There must have been dozens of small gay or trans charities who would have been in much more need of donations)

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:51

borntobequiet · 08/09/2025 12:47

My DS used to make such a thing, he was much cherished for his cheesecakes. He works in a fairly niche profession. What sort of office was it?

Governance and compliance, I'm afraid 😳

borntobequiet · 08/09/2025 12:56

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:51

Governance and compliance, I'm afraid 😳

Ah, not him then.

He also made a chocolate fudge cheesecake that you could really only manage a tiny sliver of without risking your health. But it was so good!

BruachAbhann · 08/09/2025 13:03

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:50

It sounds funny, but I used to live round the corner from a place that made really nice cupcakes. Which were an awful tempation for me.

Until June came around and they were selling rainbow cupcakes to raise money for Stonewall, and I found my diet much easier to stick to 😀

(Why Stonewall though? There must have been dozens of small gay or trans charities who would have been in much more need of donations)

Will we ever reclaim the rainbow, I wonder? If I see a rainbow or trans flag or person with blue hair or even colourful clothes I'm immediately on my guard. I can't help my cynical inner voice rising.

NebulousSadTimes · 08/09/2025 13:03

LizzieSiddal · 08/09/2025 11:39

As an aside, I really want to donate to Nick (can’t believe after his amazing work on the PO scandal that he isn’t fully employed by a media outlet)
However I’m a bit worried about the security of the donation site. It didn’t look anything like any other site, does anyone know if it is 100% secure?

Bumping this question.

NebulousSadTimes · 08/09/2025 13:03

BruachAbhann · 08/09/2025 13:03

Will we ever reclaim the rainbow, I wonder? If I see a rainbow or trans flag or person with blue hair or even colourful clothes I'm immediately on my guard. I can't help my cynical inner voice rising.

Rainbows are ruined for me now.

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