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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women’s privacy and dignity

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Mrspenguinsschoolforfreaks · 07/09/2025 13:43

I’ve just been to my local leisure centre swimming pool and while I was in the changing rooms a woman walked in from the showers, fully naked. I averted my eyes, and she walked quite close past me in a way which to me (and I fully accept I may well have imagined it) felt a bit pointed. I felt vaguely uncomfortable and embarrassed in the same way I would have if a man had walked in naked.

My impression is that the vast majority of people on this forum believe that it is a fundamental breach of women’s privacy and dignity if people with male biology (whether cisgender men or trans women) share changing facilities with women. Yet they do not consider that it undermines a woman’s privacy or dignity to have to get changed in front of other women, or to see other women naked.

I understand that many women have had experiences with men’s exhibitionist or voyeuristic behaviour which makes them specifically uncomfortable being undressed around men, or being around men who are undressed. But I’ve often seen the argument on here that it equally undermines men’s privacy and dignity to have to share changing facilities with women.

So my question is, do you think privacy and dignity are not infringed by having to get changed in front of people of the same sex? If not, why not?

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Hoppinggreen · 08/09/2025 08:53

Helleofabore · 07/09/2025 14:51

I reckon using those terms sets the expectation on what the next posts will be though.

Yes, it is pretty helpful if we need to see someones agenda to see the term "cis" early on in a post

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2025 08:57

It’s fine if people are uncomfortable with anyone of either sex seeing them naked or sharing communal intimate spaces. That’s an issue they can try to manage, or campaign for different facilities. It doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of people are prepared in some instances to use shared changing or toilet facilities with the same sex and very uncomfortable with using them with the opposite sex. It’s not something we can be logicked or wheedled out of.

Helleofabore · 08/09/2025 09:20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/09/2025 08:57

It’s fine if people are uncomfortable with anyone of either sex seeing them naked or sharing communal intimate spaces. That’s an issue they can try to manage, or campaign for different facilities. It doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of people are prepared in some instances to use shared changing or toilet facilities with the same sex and very uncomfortable with using them with the opposite sex. It’s not something we can be logicked or wheedled out of.

Yes.

It is expected that some people will be uncomfortable.

That doesn’t mean that the provision of communal space isn’t a reasonable effort to fulfill the minimum standards as set out by basic human rights. It also doesn’t mean that anyone cannot ask their service provider to provide an alternative either. However, there is no expectation that privacy away from the same sex will be provided.

If same sex provision is communal and a user is so uncomfortable, then that user has to ask for a private space or not use that service.

GleisZwei · 08/09/2025 09:23

Weneedmoreheretics · 08/09/2025 08:51

Love the intelligent women on here, this explains completely, ty, personally never had a problem with sharing/changing with females, men a different issue entirely as we continue the battle.

Some women do have a problem with it though, for various reasons, and their views are not less important than yours.

lcakethereforeIam · 08/09/2025 09:28

I don't get how being bisexuality is at all relevant. Changing rooms are separated by sex not by which sex we are attracted to.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 08/09/2025 09:41

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/09/2025 08:41

Yes I wasn’t happy with how I phrased it as I wrote it quickly before going to sleep, then it was too late to edit. I will have have another go in a bit.

I think you phrased it perfectly!

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 09:42

GleisZwei · 08/09/2025 07:52

Yes, we used to have one who really seemed to enjoy publicly drying herself, sticking her bum in folks faces and so on. She also randomly commented things like 'you look much better now, you were too thin before' and also tried to tell the staff how to run the facility. Not a nice atmosphere when she was there, tbh.

Some people like to argue that men should be allowed everywhere

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape

"Give Us The Freedom To Risk Rape" | Mumsnet

Famed feminist Camille Paglia's interesting views on women's freedoms: ^"Yes this is probably the most controversial area that I have written about.^...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5400030-give-us-the-freedom-to-risk-rape

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 09:43

lcakethereforeIam · 08/09/2025 09:28

I don't get how being bisexuality is at all relevant. Changing rooms are separated by sex not by which sex we are attracted to.

It's not.

It's attempt as you say, to draw who we are attracted to into the conversation rather than remember that sex segregated toilets started because women weren't safe in shared facilities and this is what is recommended around the world, for similar reasons.

GailBlancheViola · 08/09/2025 09:53

I'm sorry I wasn’t able to dedicate my day to reading and replying to the responses, as some people apparently thought I should have.

No-one expects you to dedicate your day to reading and replying but why start a thread that you had no intention of being active on for at the very least many hours? Do you normally start a conversation with a group and then walk off immediately before anyone has joined in or answered your questions?

  • to clarify, when I said I felt the same about a naked woman walking in as I would have if it was a naked man, I meant how I would have felt if it had been a unisex facility. Obviously this was a single sex changing room, so if a man had walked in I would have been quite confused and taken aback.

It wasn't a unisex facility though was it? So there absolutely should never have been a man in there naked or otherwise.

  • this was not my first time at this pool, I’ve probably been there maybe 20 times before. There are often women naked in the showers, and obviously changing in the communal area, but it’s not that usual for someone to be just walking around the changing room naked and without a towel. I always go there with my swimming costume on under my clothes, and afterwards I always change in a cubicle.

You sound very judgemental of this woman, view her as an exhibitionist and the vibe I got from your first oost was that if she was prepared to do that in the company of women she should also be prepared to do so in front of men. The woman in question obviously felt safe and confident enough to walk from the shower into the main changing area naked due to it being single sex. You state you go with your swimming costume on slready and change in a cubicle afterwards, you think this woman should have done/do the same? Why?

  • other leisure centre pool I sometimes go to only has unisex changing facilities (I think) but it’s all cubicles rather than communal. I much prefer that.

So go there instead if the sight of a body confident naked woman in a single sex facility irritates you so much.

  • There are other contexts where I’m more comfortable with nudity (though I still wouldn’t be naked myself) - I’ve done a fair bit of life drawing where the models were sometime male and sometimes female, very occasionally I’ve been to a beach where the odd person has been naked, and I’ve been to a few burlesque shows with both female and male performers. None of that makes me uncomfortable, maybe because it’s in less close proximity? Or because (in the life drawing and burlesque scenarios) it’s ok to be looking at the naked bodies?

Again, you are judging the woman in your scenario as being performative, you seem to be of the impression she wanted you to look at her naked body. You are happy with other forms of public nudty but not nudity in a single sex changing area, which is rather strange to say the least.

  • some people have said it’s healthy and liberating for women to be comfortable seeing other women’s naked bodies (in a real life setting rather than porn etc). I suppose my feeling is, if we’re going to take the attitude that it’s good for people to get more comfortable with seeing the naked bodies of ordinary people generally, isn’t that also the case for being around naked bodies of people of the opposite sex? I have friends who’ve been to other countries where they’ve been to unisex spas/saunas where everyone was naked and they said in those cultures (I can’t remember where, maybe Scandinavia?) people seemed comfortable with it.

As always, the naked spas/saunas in Scandanavian countries is brought up as a wedge to allow men into women spaces in the UK. In those unisex saces in Scandavia all those who attend have given consent to do so. In the UK the overwhelming majority of women and girls do not consent to being naked in front of men in single sex changing rooms.

  • i’m not dismissing or minimising all of the reasons people have given for why they personally feel more comfortable around other women naked than men naked. It just feels to me like in discussions about single sex spaces there’s often an automatic assumption that it’s obvious that privacy and dignity are upheld as long as the space is single sex and destroyed if the space isn’t. That doesn’t align with how I experience privacy and dignity myself, but I’m aware I’m probably quite unusual in feeling that way.

So how do you experience privacy and dignity then? How did this woman being naked in a single sex changing room have any impact on your privacy and dignity?

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 09:55

lcakethereforeIam · 08/09/2025 09:28

I don't get how being bisexuality is at all relevant. Changing rooms are separated by sex not by which sex we are attracted to.

Is it the lesbian is dangerous argument with the I like men too as the feeling was embarrassed the same way as if a naked man walked in?

But the OP is then placing themselves into the class of one who would be in theory perving on women or men in the mixed sex changing area?
Which is odd.

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 10:03

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/09/2025 08:41

Yes I wasn’t happy with how I phrased it as I wrote it quickly before going to sleep, then it was too late to edit. I will have have another go in a bit.

Please put it up again.

That is a very good point of MN being used to do the homework of a groups who have run out of ideas on how to wedge men into womens spaces

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 08/09/2025 10:06

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 10:03

Please put it up again.

That is a very good point of MN being used to do the homework of a groups who have run out of ideas on how to wedge men into womens spaces

Seconded.

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 10:10

GailBlancheViola · 08/09/2025 09:53

I'm sorry I wasn’t able to dedicate my day to reading and replying to the responses, as some people apparently thought I should have.

No-one expects you to dedicate your day to reading and replying but why start a thread that you had no intention of being active on for at the very least many hours? Do you normally start a conversation with a group and then walk off immediately before anyone has joined in or answered your questions?

  • to clarify, when I said I felt the same about a naked woman walking in as I would have if it was a naked man, I meant how I would have felt if it had been a unisex facility. Obviously this was a single sex changing room, so if a man had walked in I would have been quite confused and taken aback.

It wasn't a unisex facility though was it? So there absolutely should never have been a man in there naked or otherwise.

  • this was not my first time at this pool, I’ve probably been there maybe 20 times before. There are often women naked in the showers, and obviously changing in the communal area, but it’s not that usual for someone to be just walking around the changing room naked and without a towel. I always go there with my swimming costume on under my clothes, and afterwards I always change in a cubicle.

You sound very judgemental of this woman, view her as an exhibitionist and the vibe I got from your first oost was that if she was prepared to do that in the company of women she should also be prepared to do so in front of men. The woman in question obviously felt safe and confident enough to walk from the shower into the main changing area naked due to it being single sex. You state you go with your swimming costume on slready and change in a cubicle afterwards, you think this woman should have done/do the same? Why?

  • other leisure centre pool I sometimes go to only has unisex changing facilities (I think) but it’s all cubicles rather than communal. I much prefer that.

So go there instead if the sight of a body confident naked woman in a single sex facility irritates you so much.

  • There are other contexts where I’m more comfortable with nudity (though I still wouldn’t be naked myself) - I’ve done a fair bit of life drawing where the models were sometime male and sometimes female, very occasionally I’ve been to a beach where the odd person has been naked, and I’ve been to a few burlesque shows with both female and male performers. None of that makes me uncomfortable, maybe because it’s in less close proximity? Or because (in the life drawing and burlesque scenarios) it’s ok to be looking at the naked bodies?

Again, you are judging the woman in your scenario as being performative, you seem to be of the impression she wanted you to look at her naked body. You are happy with other forms of public nudty but not nudity in a single sex changing area, which is rather strange to say the least.

  • some people have said it’s healthy and liberating for women to be comfortable seeing other women’s naked bodies (in a real life setting rather than porn etc). I suppose my feeling is, if we’re going to take the attitude that it’s good for people to get more comfortable with seeing the naked bodies of ordinary people generally, isn’t that also the case for being around naked bodies of people of the opposite sex? I have friends who’ve been to other countries where they’ve been to unisex spas/saunas where everyone was naked and they said in those cultures (I can’t remember where, maybe Scandinavia?) people seemed comfortable with it.

As always, the naked spas/saunas in Scandanavian countries is brought up as a wedge to allow men into women spaces in the UK. In those unisex saces in Scandavia all those who attend have given consent to do so. In the UK the overwhelming majority of women and girls do not consent to being naked in front of men in single sex changing rooms.

  • i’m not dismissing or minimising all of the reasons people have given for why they personally feel more comfortable around other women naked than men naked. It just feels to me like in discussions about single sex spaces there’s often an automatic assumption that it’s obvious that privacy and dignity are upheld as long as the space is single sex and destroyed if the space isn’t. That doesn’t align with how I experience privacy and dignity myself, but I’m aware I’m probably quite unusual in feeling that way.

So how do you experience privacy and dignity then? How did this woman being naked in a single sex changing room have any impact on your privacy and dignity?

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  • i’m not dismissing or minimising all of the reasons people have given for why they personally feel more comfortable around other women naked than men naked. It just feels to me like in discussions about single sex spaces there’s often an automatic assumption that it’s obvious that privacy and dignity are upheld as long as the space is single sex and destroyed if the space isn’t. That doesn’t align with how I experience privacy and dignity myself, but I’m aware I’m probably quite unusual in feeling that way.

"So how do you experience privacy and dignity then? How did this woman being naked in a single sex changing room have any impact on your privacy and dignity?"

The OP initially said:

"Yet they do not consider that it undermines a woman’s privacy or dignity to have to get changed in front of other women, or to see other women naked."

So her point wasn't so much about people choosing to be naked but a desire for cubicles for those who are uncomfortable undressing in front of others.

JustStopItNora · 08/09/2025 10:12

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/09/2025 14:10

Also “cisgender men” isn’t a meaningful distinction to most women (it’s activist jargon). Every single “trans woman” is a man.

This. With bells on.

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 10:14

GailBlancheViola · 08/09/2025 09:53

I'm sorry I wasn’t able to dedicate my day to reading and replying to the responses, as some people apparently thought I should have.

No-one expects you to dedicate your day to reading and replying but why start a thread that you had no intention of being active on for at the very least many hours? Do you normally start a conversation with a group and then walk off immediately before anyone has joined in or answered your questions?

  • to clarify, when I said I felt the same about a naked woman walking in as I would have if it was a naked man, I meant how I would have felt if it had been a unisex facility. Obviously this was a single sex changing room, so if a man had walked in I would have been quite confused and taken aback.

It wasn't a unisex facility though was it? So there absolutely should never have been a man in there naked or otherwise.

  • this was not my first time at this pool, I’ve probably been there maybe 20 times before. There are often women naked in the showers, and obviously changing in the communal area, but it’s not that usual for someone to be just walking around the changing room naked and without a towel. I always go there with my swimming costume on under my clothes, and afterwards I always change in a cubicle.

You sound very judgemental of this woman, view her as an exhibitionist and the vibe I got from your first oost was that if she was prepared to do that in the company of women she should also be prepared to do so in front of men. The woman in question obviously felt safe and confident enough to walk from the shower into the main changing area naked due to it being single sex. You state you go with your swimming costume on slready and change in a cubicle afterwards, you think this woman should have done/do the same? Why?

  • other leisure centre pool I sometimes go to only has unisex changing facilities (I think) but it’s all cubicles rather than communal. I much prefer that.

So go there instead if the sight of a body confident naked woman in a single sex facility irritates you so much.

  • There are other contexts where I’m more comfortable with nudity (though I still wouldn’t be naked myself) - I’ve done a fair bit of life drawing where the models were sometime male and sometimes female, very occasionally I’ve been to a beach where the odd person has been naked, and I’ve been to a few burlesque shows with both female and male performers. None of that makes me uncomfortable, maybe because it’s in less close proximity? Or because (in the life drawing and burlesque scenarios) it’s ok to be looking at the naked bodies?

Again, you are judging the woman in your scenario as being performative, you seem to be of the impression she wanted you to look at her naked body. You are happy with other forms of public nudty but not nudity in a single sex changing area, which is rather strange to say the least.

  • some people have said it’s healthy and liberating for women to be comfortable seeing other women’s naked bodies (in a real life setting rather than porn etc). I suppose my feeling is, if we’re going to take the attitude that it’s good for people to get more comfortable with seeing the naked bodies of ordinary people generally, isn’t that also the case for being around naked bodies of people of the opposite sex? I have friends who’ve been to other countries where they’ve been to unisex spas/saunas where everyone was naked and they said in those cultures (I can’t remember where, maybe Scandinavia?) people seemed comfortable with it.

As always, the naked spas/saunas in Scandanavian countries is brought up as a wedge to allow men into women spaces in the UK. In those unisex saces in Scandavia all those who attend have given consent to do so. In the UK the overwhelming majority of women and girls do not consent to being naked in front of men in single sex changing rooms.

  • i’m not dismissing or minimising all of the reasons people have given for why they personally feel more comfortable around other women naked than men naked. It just feels to me like in discussions about single sex spaces there’s often an automatic assumption that it’s obvious that privacy and dignity are upheld as long as the space is single sex and destroyed if the space isn’t. That doesn’t align with how I experience privacy and dignity myself, but I’m aware I’m probably quite unusual in feeling that way.

So how do you experience privacy and dignity then? How did this woman being naked in a single sex changing room have any impact on your privacy and dignity?

Edited

Seconded

So @Mrspenguinsschoolforfreaks

So how do you experience privacy and dignity then?

How did this woman being naked in a single sex changing room have any impact on your privacy and dignity?

ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 10:24

GleisZwei · 08/09/2025 07:52

Yes, we used to have one who really seemed to enjoy publicly drying herself, sticking her bum in folks faces and so on. She also randomly commented things like 'you look much better now, you were too thin before' and also tried to tell the staff how to run the facility. Not a nice atmosphere when she was there, tbh.

'we used to have one' - one what?

LittleBitofBread · 08/09/2025 10:30

5birdsonroof · 07/09/2025 14:48

Ime women who play sport think nothing of stripping off and showering in front of/with other women. I grew up with communal showers after hockey in school so it would never occur to me to be bothered by it and it's never crossed my mind that other women would care.

Wholly different to being naked with adult or adolescent biological males though.

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And women I know who are actors/other performers always talk about how being naked in front of each other in changing rooms/helping each other on and off with even the most intimate layers of costume etc is all completely normal.

LittleBitofBread · 08/09/2025 10:34

The description of someone walking 'quite close past me in a way which to me (and I fully accept I may well have imagined it) felt a bit pointed.' sounds to me very much like those barking-mad threads you get on here every now and then when someone is outraged because they've seen another woman 'parading' or 'strutting' naked around a changing room or on a beach.
I always find it interesting the language that's used in those cases.

Keeptoiletssafe · 08/09/2025 11:26

Hello OP I was catching up with the thread in the early hours and began wondering if you are connected to the Good Law Project in any way. If so, firstly I was aghast at the several reports over several months telling of the rude response Mrs Maugham got to being in the swimming pool changing rooms naked. I was shocked another woman would be so rude to her - I certainly wouldn't and everyone here also thought it was unusual on a previous thread.

Her whole encounter sounded a bit odd though not least because of the timelines reported and unusual responses and later reactions. I have looked back now and the phrase later used by Mr Maugham was ‘dignity and protection’ rather than your ‘privacy and dignity’. However, like others have said, the tone seems odd here too.

There is a lack of evidence of women getting violent towards men or women in women’s so now there’s dignity with privacy left to discuss. In the often quoted Stonewall report there was one incidence of pushing by two women trying to get a man out of the ladies because shouting wasn’t working. The rest is verbal abuse ie telling people they don’t belong in there. I understand this is upsetting but, in contrast, in my research I am looking at how toilet design affects deaths, injuries, health and assaults. You can’t please everyone so rules are made to rightly put safety higher than complete privacy. That’s shown in the exceptions for article 8.

You said in a later post you have been to this setting about 20 times and always use a cubicle anyway, which you prefer, so you were effectively complaining about the single sex area in front of the cubicle and that is was, for you, a similar experience to a mixed sex space.

I think the Good Law Project is probably trying to work out what to argue for when they go back to court because last time it was reported that the Judge asked them what they wanted and they couldn’t articulate it. Unfortunately the group they represent want different things so it makes it difficult for them. I wrote a post before offering to discuss my research as I have looked into solutions.

Regardless of your intentions, I am going to take a punt and predict the Good Law Project will now argue for everyone to have individual private mixed sex cubicles for changing rooms and toilets with a mixed sex area in front. This is something a pp picked up with your post and got me thinking. This would suit the Maughams and it appears you, too. In my research it is women and the families of the women who are more likely to want private mixed sex cubicles as a solution to the women not wanting to use the women's. However the GLP also have to consider the wants of men who want to use women's spaces and don’t like mixed sex so that may cause a bit of friction for those who want that who have donated. Very few seem to want to use men's facilities!

Putting everyone into completely private, individual cubicles doesn't work. This is due to health (hygiene, ventilation, pathogen load, cleaning) and safety (prevention of wilful misuse such as vandalism, assaults and hidden camera placement, supervision in emergencies, occupant awareness of others in surroundings) as well as economic and environmental reasons. Remember they can't be 'secure' as you imagine 'locked' to be for safety reasons. Toilet cubicles, for example, need to be open easily from the outside. It is there in black and white in Document T (2024). It's particularly useful for the Good Law Project to recognise the conflict between complete privacy and safeguarding the occupant.

The number one call out for the Fire Brigade in London is accessing a person who has collapsed and is trapped behind a door. From scientific research it has been shown 11% of cardiac arrests happen on the toilet. From the Heart Foundation, there are millions of people with unknown heart disease. These are a few facts on why it makes sense that design should factor in a degree of visibility. Especially when there are defibrillators that could save people’s lives if they are used quickly enough because you can see someone has collapsed.

If you want to know why mixed sex cubicles don't work in leisure centres, the Women's Rights Network is doing some work on this at the moment. Look them up.
Voyeurism is obviously a big problem as the cubicles often really do need gaps from floor to door/partition as the chlorine can rot the partitions and pool water can't drain away. Active voyeurism (cameras hidden in cubicles or used less often over cubicles) is a male activity.

I have been collating data to demonstrate what happens when toilet cubicles become private which is even worse when they are mixed sex. This is a good article that shows most of the real life consequences of making a cubicle private and mixed sex, even in a more monitored setting: https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/education/drug-dealing-drinking-dirt-problems-28517175 It's really useful to think about design and how that affects occupants more vulnerable than you. I am hoping you can see why single sex spaces, with a degree of visibility, are so important in protecting children, women and the medically vulnerable.

If you or the Good Law project want more information about my research, I am willing to discuss. There is so much more I have - and this is a potted yet somewhat rambling version so some nuance may be lost. I want safety and health for everyone. If you have this post from earlier I wanted to edit to explain my reasonings better and I missed the edit slot. Hopefully, whoever you are, it's given you some ideas to think about.

Single sex cubicles with door gaps are the safest and healthiest option for everyone. This means the area in front of the cubicle also has to be single sex, due to regulations based on safeguarding which in turn are based on reality and commonsense. If there’s ambiguity the cubicle becomes private which decreases the health and safety, particularly for vulnerable people.

JustAnotherFunday · 08/09/2025 13:28

Maybe on some level I feel like an unwilling voyeur if other women are naked around me

I do wonder OP if you've internalised some homophobia and that's hindering you. When more people were coming out there were a lot of complaints about gays in changing rooms.

These women know that there will be lesbian and bisexual women in there. You aren't any sort of voyeur as they've consented to you seeing them naked as a fellow woman.

Obviously as in the norm in changing facilities noone is watching anyone or anything like that.

There's nothing wrong with feeling as uncomfortable with naked women as you do men. All feelings are valid, but yours is quite unusual and you can't base wider policy on it.

Rednorth · 08/09/2025 14:09

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 09:55

Is it the lesbian is dangerous argument with the I like men too as the feeling was embarrassed the same way as if a naked man walked in?

But the OP is then placing themselves into the class of one who would be in theory perving on women or men in the mixed sex changing area?
Which is odd.

I'm bisexual and obviously whilst I don't speak for other bi women, I too find it a very odd statement.

Especially now looking back to OPs initial post and the comments around the naked woman walking closer to her. A reader could interpret whats been said (with the context of OP seeing women as sexual & feeling like a voyeur) as naked woman almost 'teasing' her as she walked past. .. which, even if OP did imagine (which she admits could be a possibility), it still infers a completely different framing of what transpired, compared to the view that a woman was simply in a state of undress in a single sex changing room.

If it's not tied to what Keeptoiletssafe suggests, OP at the very least has some internalised hangups. Neither of which mean same sex changing areas shouldn't exist.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 16:54

JustAnotherFunday · 08/09/2025 13:28

Maybe on some level I feel like an unwilling voyeur if other women are naked around me

I do wonder OP if you've internalised some homophobia and that's hindering you. When more people were coming out there were a lot of complaints about gays in changing rooms.

These women know that there will be lesbian and bisexual women in there. You aren't any sort of voyeur as they've consented to you seeing them naked as a fellow woman.

Obviously as in the norm in changing facilities noone is watching anyone or anything like that.

There's nothing wrong with feeling as uncomfortable with naked women as you do men. All feelings are valid, but yours is quite unusual and you can't base wider policy on it.

Edited

I don't think it's possible to be an 'unwilling voyeur'. The act of voyeurism is looking against or without the consent of the other/s involved, it's a deliberately transgressive act. Merely looking at a naked person isn't voyeurism.

It's quite possible to feel uncomfortable at one's own feelings, but that's something else entirely.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 16:59

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JustAnotherFunday · 08/09/2025 17:24

Good point @ArabellaSaurus If you accidentally sees your neighbour butt naked you aren't a voyeur. OP did say they "feel like an unwilling voyeur". That is just not fact based.

Personally I share a communal leisure "dry" changing room with women and girls. As well as safer, it's healthy to normalise different shaped women's bodies.

It's hard to know who is genuine and not on here. As usual the first reply to the OP is a fab response!

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 17:29

Why on earth did my post get deleted?!

I pointed out how uneasily the OP reference to that sat with me in the context of women being vouyers if they cop an eye full.

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