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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women’s privacy and dignity

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Mrspenguinsschoolforfreaks · 07/09/2025 13:43

I’ve just been to my local leisure centre swimming pool and while I was in the changing rooms a woman walked in from the showers, fully naked. I averted my eyes, and she walked quite close past me in a way which to me (and I fully accept I may well have imagined it) felt a bit pointed. I felt vaguely uncomfortable and embarrassed in the same way I would have if a man had walked in naked.

My impression is that the vast majority of people on this forum believe that it is a fundamental breach of women’s privacy and dignity if people with male biology (whether cisgender men or trans women) share changing facilities with women. Yet they do not consider that it undermines a woman’s privacy or dignity to have to get changed in front of other women, or to see other women naked.

I understand that many women have had experiences with men’s exhibitionist or voyeuristic behaviour which makes them specifically uncomfortable being undressed around men, or being around men who are undressed. But I’ve often seen the argument on here that it equally undermines men’s privacy and dignity to have to share changing facilities with women.

So my question is, do you think privacy and dignity are not infringed by having to get changed in front of people of the same sex? If not, why not?

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Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 07:30

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 10/09/2025 07:24

You might think it is hilarious that some of those responsible for law and order who have the power to arrest and detain us think and are willing to say in public that calling a man a man is a hate crime.

I do not agree.

Um there's nothing funny about conspiratorial disinformation designed to discredit facts.

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 07:33

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 10/09/2025 07:24

You might think it is hilarious that some of those responsible for law and order who have the power to arrest and detain us think and are willing to say in public that calling a man a man is a hate crime.

I do not agree.

There's nothing funny about deluded conspiracies.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 10/09/2025 07:36

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 07:30

Um there's nothing funny about conspiratorial disinformation designed to discredit facts.

Huh?

You think people managing the social media accounts for multiple police forces erroneously tweeted that misgendering is a hate crime in some sort of transphobic double bluff so that people like me could accuse them of making up the law?

TheKeatingFive · 10/09/2025 07:36

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 07:33

There's nothing funny about deluded conspiracies.

What deluded conspiracies?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/09/2025 07:38

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 07:30

Um there's nothing funny about conspiratorial disinformation designed to discredit facts.

😂
Indeed. Flat earthers, TWAW, lizard people and all the rest. All designed to undermine facts and the law and in the case if TWAW, enable certain predatory men to commit sex crimes of voyeurism and indecent exposure.

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 07:40

TheKeatingFive · 10/09/2025 07:36

What deluded conspiracies?

"Maaaate during the same time period at least three police forces erroneously tweeted to the general public that misgendering is a hate crime.
So, obviously, any statistics relating to hate crimes against transgender people recorded by police forces which believe that belong in the bin."

I mean, even if you can accept some errors were made, nation wide?
🤪

ArabellaSaurus · 10/09/2025 07:40

Trans activists have unfortunately cried wolf too many times. In claiming that calling a man by his birth name is committing literal genocide, they have lost the trust of those who may have previously been sympathetic. The hyperbole and exaggeration means that nobody believes the claims about hate crime.

And a Stonewalled police force has rolled over and complied, as demonstrated by the arrest of Graham lineman by armed police for some mildly angry tweets.

Trans people are often marginalised and no doubt are at risk from prejudice - it would be in everyone's best interests to have all that reported on in a sensible and proportionate manner. Instead, they've gone in with the genocide absurdity, which as any rational onlooker can see is so utterly ridiculous it undermines any salient points that may have been otherwise made.

ArabellaSaurus · 10/09/2025 07:44

The collusion of police and trans activists is now being uncovered, and its likely to roll back public support even further.

I expect we will see a change in the law shortly, ensuring that police do not over respond to claims about, for example, minor spats on twitter. Without a captured police force to keep up the pretence of a wave of hate crime, we may be able to get a clearer view of how much actual crime is motivated by prejudice against trans people. This doesn't include refusing entry to males who want to be in the spaces where women are naked, it doesn't include calling men 'he', and it doesn't even include being rude to men or making fun of them. None of these things are police matters.

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 07:45

ArabellaSaurus · 10/09/2025 07:44

The collusion of police and trans activists is now being uncovered, and its likely to roll back public support even further.

I expect we will see a change in the law shortly, ensuring that police do not over respond to claims about, for example, minor spats on twitter. Without a captured police force to keep up the pretence of a wave of hate crime, we may be able to get a clearer view of how much actual crime is motivated by prejudice against trans people. This doesn't include refusing entry to males who want to be in the spaces where women are naked, it doesn't include calling men 'he', and it doesn't even include being rude to men or making fun of them. None of these things are police matters.

Yeah? Evidence?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/09/2025 07:46

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 07:45

Yeah? Evidence?

😂😂😂
From the poster spamming the thread with repeatedly discredited sources.

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 07:48

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/09/2025 07:46

😂😂😂
From the poster spamming the thread with repeatedly discredited sources.

'Quick, look over there…'

EVIDENCE?

ArabellaSaurus · 10/09/2025 07:53

Evidence in capital letters, no less. END OF.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2025 07:59

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 06:13

This has already been posted previously which proves not only do trans people experience violent hate crimes in the uk but perpetrators have indeed been charged/summoned as a result.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24959160/

  1. Police recorded hate crime
Key results in the year ending March 2023, there were 145,214 hate crimes recorded by the police in England and Wales (excluding Devon and Cornwall police[footnote 2]), a decrease of 5% from the year ending March 2022 (153,536 offences), the first fall since the comparable time series began in the year ending March 2013 prior to the fall seen this year, police recorded hate crime offences rose between the years ending 2013 and 2022; this prolonged period of increasing offences was thought to have been driven by improvements in crime recording by the police and better identification of what constitutes a hate crime there were 101,906 race hate crimes, a fall of 6% from the previous year when there were 108,476 offences, this was driven by a decrease in racially or religiously aggravated public fear, alarm or distress offences as in previous years, the majority of hate crimes were racially motivated, accounting for 7 in 10 of all such offences (70%; 101,906 offences) religious hate crimes decreased by 4%, from 8,602 to 8,241 offences sexual orientation hate crimes fell by 6%, to 24,102 offences, while transgender hate crimes increased by 11%, to 4,732 offences disability hate crimes fell slightly (by 1%) compared with the previous year, at 13,777 offences over half (51%) of the hate crimes recorded by the police were for public order offences, 41% were for violence against the person offences and 5% were recorded as criminal damage and arson offences

Transgender identity hate crimes rose by 11% (from 4,262 to 4,732) over the same period, the highest number since the time series began in the year ending March 2012. Transgender issues have been heavily discussed by politicians, the media and on social media over the last year, which may have led to an increase in these offences, or more awareness in the police in the identification and recording of these crimes.

Figure 2.8: Percentage of selected offences resulting in charge/summons, by hate crime strand, offences recorded in the year ending March 2023, England and Wales, 30 forces

Source: Police recorded crime, Home Office Data Hub

At this point many of us are wondering about all this reporting of hate crime;

'Just how much of that can be attributed to Lynsay Watson and his gang screaming "she called her Dave instead of Davina" and reporting people for the 'crime' of using correct sex pronouns'

And if you aren't thinking that, you aren't doing much thinking.

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 08:00

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2025 07:59

At this point many of us are wondering about all this reporting of hate crime;

'Just how much of that can be attributed to Lynsay Watson and his gang screaming "she called her Dave instead of Davina" and reporting people for the 'crime' of using correct sex pronouns'

And if you aren't thinking that, you aren't doing much thinking.

SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE….

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2025 08:03

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 07:40

"Maaaate during the same time period at least three police forces erroneously tweeted to the general public that misgendering is a hate crime.
So, obviously, any statistics relating to hate crimes against transgender people recorded by police forces which believe that belong in the bin."

I mean, even if you can accept some errors were made, nation wide?
🤪

Mmmmmaaattteee it's shaping up to be a national scandal of the failure of police forces to do their fucking jobs.

ArabellaSaurus · 10/09/2025 08:03
Shakira Hips GIF by Latin GRAMMYs

No need to shout.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2025 08:03

ArabellaSaurus · 10/09/2025 07:44

The collusion of police and trans activists is now being uncovered, and its likely to roll back public support even further.

I expect we will see a change in the law shortly, ensuring that police do not over respond to claims about, for example, minor spats on twitter. Without a captured police force to keep up the pretence of a wave of hate crime, we may be able to get a clearer view of how much actual crime is motivated by prejudice against trans people. This doesn't include refusing entry to males who want to be in the spaces where women are naked, it doesn't include calling men 'he', and it doesn't even include being rude to men or making fun of them. None of these things are police matters.

YY.

ArabellaSaurus · 10/09/2025 08:04

Sorry, not sure where that Shakira gif came from.

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2025 08:04

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 08:00

SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE….

Shouting now?

Hit a nerve?

Good luck with that one. There's going to be a tsunami of it.

ThatBlackCat · 10/09/2025 08:04

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 06:13

This has already been posted previously which proves not only do trans people experience violent hate crimes in the uk but perpetrators have indeed been charged/summoned as a result.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24959160/

  1. Police recorded hate crime
Key results in the year ending March 2023, there were 145,214 hate crimes recorded by the police in England and Wales (excluding Devon and Cornwall police[footnote 2]), a decrease of 5% from the year ending March 2022 (153,536 offences), the first fall since the comparable time series began in the year ending March 2013 prior to the fall seen this year, police recorded hate crime offences rose between the years ending 2013 and 2022; this prolonged period of increasing offences was thought to have been driven by improvements in crime recording by the police and better identification of what constitutes a hate crime there were 101,906 race hate crimes, a fall of 6% from the previous year when there were 108,476 offences, this was driven by a decrease in racially or religiously aggravated public fear, alarm or distress offences as in previous years, the majority of hate crimes were racially motivated, accounting for 7 in 10 of all such offences (70%; 101,906 offences) religious hate crimes decreased by 4%, from 8,602 to 8,241 offences sexual orientation hate crimes fell by 6%, to 24,102 offences, while transgender hate crimes increased by 11%, to 4,732 offences disability hate crimes fell slightly (by 1%) compared with the previous year, at 13,777 offences over half (51%) of the hate crimes recorded by the police were for public order offences, 41% were for violence against the person offences and 5% were recorded as criminal damage and arson offences

Transgender identity hate crimes rose by 11% (from 4,262 to 4,732) over the same period, the highest number since the time series began in the year ending March 2012. Transgender issues have been heavily discussed by politicians, the media and on social media over the last year, which may have led to an increase in these offences, or more awareness in the police in the identification and recording of these crimes.

Figure 2.8: Percentage of selected offences resulting in charge/summons, by hate crime strand, offences recorded in the year ending March 2023, England and Wales, 30 forces

Source: Police recorded crime, Home Office Data Hub

Irrelevant as 'hate crimes' are whatever the male says it is. A woman saying no to a male, or a woman who correctly-sexes him is accused of a 'hate crime'.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 10/09/2025 08:04

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ArabellaSaurus · 10/09/2025 08:06

Some people get positively ragey when women dont do as they're told.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 10/09/2025 08:07

ArabellaSaurus · 10/09/2025 08:04

Sorry, not sure where that Shakira gif came from.

It’s probably the most appropriate response to be honest

chappie genuinely thinks he’s captain logical and does not possess sufficient insight to examine his own behaviour. There is very limited value in engaging with him on his level.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/09/2025 08:08

Hips don’t lie!

Howseitgoin · 10/09/2025 08:08

RedToothBrush · 10/09/2025 08:03

Mmmmmaaattteee it's shaping up to be a national scandal of the failure of police forces to do their fucking jobs.

So you have no evidence….

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