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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women’s privacy and dignity

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Mrspenguinsschoolforfreaks · 07/09/2025 13:43

I’ve just been to my local leisure centre swimming pool and while I was in the changing rooms a woman walked in from the showers, fully naked. I averted my eyes, and she walked quite close past me in a way which to me (and I fully accept I may well have imagined it) felt a bit pointed. I felt vaguely uncomfortable and embarrassed in the same way I would have if a man had walked in naked.

My impression is that the vast majority of people on this forum believe that it is a fundamental breach of women’s privacy and dignity if people with male biology (whether cisgender men or trans women) share changing facilities with women. Yet they do not consider that it undermines a woman’s privacy or dignity to have to get changed in front of other women, or to see other women naked.

I understand that many women have had experiences with men’s exhibitionist or voyeuristic behaviour which makes them specifically uncomfortable being undressed around men, or being around men who are undressed. But I’ve often seen the argument on here that it equally undermines men’s privacy and dignity to have to share changing facilities with women.

So my question is, do you think privacy and dignity are not infringed by having to get changed in front of people of the same sex? If not, why not?

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Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 13:04

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/09/2025 12:53

Do you know where the UK is? Because it isn’t in America.

Oh dear, you walked into that one…

www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2025 13:05

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/09/2025 12:49

As do most women.

Yet the men insisting on access to the undressed bodies of girls and women make such a fuss about being asked to respect women's boundaries. On and on rhey go - wailing and flailing, producing reams of bullshit, pompous pronouncements, sneering and seething - all because society has finally said NO.

Failing to hear women saying no is the epitome of misogynistic male behaviour. Shame we can't catapult them all back to the Victorian era where their male supremacist beliefs and attitudes belong.

Quite. But best not say you want to catapult MRAs anywhere or the police will be recording a non crime hate incident against you for this violent threat!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/09/2025 13:06

So, no data collected within the last ten years then.

Do you have any idea what percentage of women have experienced harassment and violence? Because I would bet good money that it is close to 100%.

I note that you are still unable to point us towards even one single incident involving a trans identifying man being harmed whilst using men's toilets.

Namelessnelly · 09/09/2025 13:07

Maaaate. Give it up. No one is gonna say men can become women or than men are allowed in female spaces. So far all your “evidence” has been thoroughly debunked many many times. You’re just making yourself look foolish now. Again. Different thread, same outcome.

Helleofabore · 09/09/2025 13:10

Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 12:40

False. There's no evidence trans people offend at the same rate as men. In fact the evidence shows just the opposite.

"Transgender People, Crime and Prisons – Prevalence
While there is a consistent stream of media attention concerning trans people involved in crime, statistics show cisgender people commit crimes more regularly than trans people. The makeup of the England & Wales (E&W) prison population shows this:
The E & W cisgender population is 59.6 million – the cisgender prison population is 87,900 = 0.15% of people in E & W are in prison.
The E & W trans population is 262,000 – the trans prison population is 268 = 0.1% of trans people in E & W are in prison.
From this statistic, we learn that cisgender people commit crimes at a 50% higher rate than trans people.
Evidence from the research conducted by Olga Suhomlinova and Saoirse Caitlin O’Shea using official statistics dating from 2021 revealed that while 0.5% of the population identify as transgender or non-binary, they represented just 0.2% of the prison population.
Transgender People, Crime and Prisons – Trans Women & Trans Men
Another anomaly in the statistics is that while 96% of the cisgender prison population is male and 4% female, the trans prison population is 84% trans women and 16% trans men. The reasons likely include trans men suffering depression, anxiety, discrimination, unemployment issues, and, consequently, poverty. For safety reasons, trans men nearly always elect to be housed in the female estate. Likewise, as long as not convicted of any violent or threatening act against natal females, trans women should be housed according to the safety risk they face."

https://translucent.org.uk/transgender-people-crime-and-prisons/

Why has this been posted again.

For safeguarding risk assessment the correct comparison is for sex crime at a minimum. what you have posted does not refer to sex crime, it refers to over all crime numbers.

This comparison between people with and without transgender identities is not relevant to safeguarding discussions where people are segregated by sex
legitimately for protection. If you want to start campaigning that people with trangender identities are segregated from people without transgender identities for their protection, go and start that campaign.

Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 13:10

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/09/2025 13:06

So, no data collected within the last ten years then.

Do you have any idea what percentage of women have experienced harassment and violence? Because I would bet good money that it is close to 100%.

I note that you are still unable to point us towards even one single incident involving a trans identifying man being harmed whilst using men's toilets.

Edited

Yup, it all 'magically' went away since then. The moral panic hate campaigns must of fixed it…😂

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning#:~:text=Sealioning%20(also%20sea%2Dlioning%20and,and%20feigning%20ignorance%20of%20the

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/09/2025 13:11

Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 13:10

Yup, it all 'magically' went away since then. The moral panic hate campaigns must of fixed it…😂

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning#:~:text=Sealioning%20(also%20sea%2Dlioning%20and,and%20feigning%20ignorance%20of%20the

Can you point us towards even one incident involving a trans identifying man being harmed whilst using a men's toilet in the UK?

Yes or no?

Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 13:11

Namelessnelly · 09/09/2025 13:07

Maaaate. Give it up. No one is gonna say men can become women or than men are allowed in female spaces. So far all your “evidence” has been thoroughly debunked many many times. You’re just making yourself look foolish now. Again. Different thread, same outcome.

'I say it's debunked so it's debunked' 🤪

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/09/2025 13:12

So ‘data’ from 2012/2013/2015, not ACTUAL crimes, no convictions, but trans people feeling ‘unsafe’ but not unsafe enough to report anything. Gotcha 😉

Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 13:12

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/09/2025 13:11

Can you point us towards even one incident involving a trans identifying man being harmed whilst using a men's toilet in the UK?

Yes or no?

Oh, so trans people are clearly at risk everywhere but the men's loos are they?🤡

Helleofabore · 09/09/2025 13:13

*@Howseitgoin

How many additional women and girls being attacked or harmed in anyway in female single sex spaces are acceptable to you before we can expect to exclude ALL male people above the age of 8 years old?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/09/2025 13:13

Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 13:12

Oh, so trans people are clearly at risk everywhere but the men's loos are they?🤡

Well apparently they are if there are no known incidents of them being harmed in men's loos.

RedToothBrush · 09/09/2025 13:13

JKRowling AT JKRowling
I hereby demand that single occupancy bathrooms reserved for my sole use are installed in every public building I visit. These should include jacuzzis, gold-plated fittings and Andrex Supreme Quilted. Failure to provide these facilities means I’ll probably be murdered and stuff.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2025 13:13

No evidence of it then. Good to know 👍

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 09/09/2025 13:13

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/09/2025 13:12

So ‘data’ from 2012/2013/2015, not ACTUAL crimes, no convictions, but trans people feeling ‘unsafe’ but not unsafe enough to report anything. Gotcha 😉

Hows does such Stirling work on our behalf i
assume they're a TERF deep state double agent 😁

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/09/2025 13:13

Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 13:10

Yup, it all 'magically' went away since then. The moral panic hate campaigns must of fixed it…😂

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning#:~:text=Sealioning%20(also%20sea%2Dlioning%20and,and%20feigning%20ignorance%20of%20the

Wikipedia now? Where anyone is allowed to change the details to say whatever they want?!

I have to applaud your perseverance.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/09/2025 13:14

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 09/09/2025 13:13

Hows does such Stirling work on our behalf i
assume they're a TERF deep state double agent 😁

It’s a cracking example of Operation Let Them Speak.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2025 13:16

Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 13:11

'I say it's debunked so it's debunked' 🤪

You can post all the emojis you like, no one is taking you seriously 🤷‍♀️

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 09/09/2025 13:17

Did you not read the bit below the headline?

’Increase of 11% in recorded incidents may be due to comments in media and by politicians, says Home Office report’ 😂😂

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/09/2025 13:17

The really hilarious thing is that these fuckwits keep linking us to all these made up alleged incidents involving trans/gender non conforming/funny looking people being attacked and harassed by women when attempting to use women's loos, but cannot come up with a single example of the same thing happening in men's loos.

And yet they would have us believe that it is essential that they use women's loos, to keep them safe from the very thing that never happens to them in men's loos but is now apparently happening to them all the time in women's loos.

Make your goddamn minds up, chumps.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/09/2025 13:20

It's very easy for a small number to increase by 11%.

I'd like to know how many hate crimes have been committed against women over the same period. Any ideas?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/09/2025 13:22

And trans identified males have been using the women’s for decades and no one bats an eyelid, apparently, but now there’s an epidemic of short haired women being kicked out of women’s spaces by women, because of course there is. It’s really totally believable like everything else trans rights activists claim.

Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 13:23

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/09/2025 13:17

The really hilarious thing is that these fuckwits keep linking us to all these made up alleged incidents involving trans/gender non conforming/funny looking people being attacked and harassed by women when attempting to use women's loos, but cannot come up with a single example of the same thing happening in men's loos.

And yet they would have us believe that it is essential that they use women's loos, to keep them safe from the very thing that never happens to them in men's loos but is now apparently happening to them all the time in women's loos.

Make your goddamn minds up, chumps.

Edited

There's this thing called 'google AI' two clicks..

AI Overview

"In the UK, there are convictions for individual hate crimes against transgender people, though official, consolidated statistics are limited and often included in broader hate crime data. Law enforcement agencies in the UK do record and investigate such incidents, but these convictions are typically classified under broader categories rather than a specific "transgender hate crime" conviction type."

Oh dear….

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2022-to-2023/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2022-to-2023

Hate crime, England and Wales, 2022 to 2023 second edition

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2022-to-2023/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2022-to-2023

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 09/09/2025 13:24

Howseitgoin · 09/09/2025 13:23

There's this thing called 'google AI' two clicks..

AI Overview

"In the UK, there are convictions for individual hate crimes against transgender people, though official, consolidated statistics are limited and often included in broader hate crime data. Law enforcement agencies in the UK do record and investigate such incidents, but these convictions are typically classified under broader categories rather than a specific "transgender hate crime" conviction type."

Oh dear….

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2022-to-2023/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2022-to-2023

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