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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

teenage girls and middle-aged men

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onlytherain · 04/09/2025 22:18

I have read a few times here and elsewhere that the two groups with the highest rates of being trans or highest increase in transitioning are teenage girls and middle-aged men. I can only find data for teenage girls. Could someone please point me to data supporting the claim that middle-aged men are a group with high transitioning rates?

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BundleBoogie · 06/09/2025 09:36

OldCrone · 06/09/2025 09:27

Old women are coming out as terfs.

Do keep up 😂

🤣🤣. Absolutely!

And I am totally identifying as ‘Not putting up with trans activist nonsense any more’.

OldCrone · 06/09/2025 09:37

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/09/2025 09:24

The impact of social contagion teenagers in the grip of mental illnesses such as anorexia / self harm is exceptionally well evidenced. Extreme transactivists have a lot invested in denying that these mentally vulnerable children in the grip of the delusion that their developing bodies are flawed but will be cured by a sex change, can be vulnerable to social contagion, gaslighting online and grooming by dodgy adults.

Proving the existence of a "trans child" is important to the interests of these men as it obscures the sexual fetish aspects of this ideology.

It's a bit surprising to see social contagion in children denied on a feminist board on a parenting site, but it takes all sorts I suppose.

I think @Howseitgoin thinks he's got the upper hand here, because (a) we're just women and (b) lots of us are older women, who he seems to think are very meek, and probably just do what our husbands tell us to.

He also seems to think that the world went straight from the 1940s to the 21st century and seems to have missed that the changes of the 2nd half of the 20th century ever occurred.

I'm assuming he is one of those with a vested interest in promoting the myth of the trans child.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 06/09/2025 09:37

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 09:15

Um, as the link states words depend on social usage. Try reading before commenting perhaps?

Biological sex exists and means what it has always meant regardless of the existence of stupid people who insist on using words to mean whatever the fuck they want them to mean.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/09/2025 09:39

OldCrone · 06/09/2025 09:37

I think @Howseitgoin thinks he's got the upper hand here, because (a) we're just women and (b) lots of us are older women, who he seems to think are very meek, and probably just do what our husbands tell us to.

He also seems to think that the world went straight from the 1940s to the 21st century and seems to have missed that the changes of the 2nd half of the 20th century ever occurred.

I'm assuming he is one of those with a vested interest in promoting the myth of the trans child.

What's that saying about the over confidence of the mediocre man? 😂

We do seem to be seeing a lot of that on here at the moment

BundleBoogie · 06/09/2025 09:40

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 09:15

Um, as the link states words depend on social usage. Try reading before commenting perhaps?

But in this case, the ‘social usage’ of the word was to mean sex as the immutable binary reproductive characteristic of humans. So your link is irrelevant.

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/09/2025 09:40

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 08:47

That's like saying more options = 'pressure'

I suspect having the option to fully embrace one's disposition/masculinity/femininity is attractive for many. Kind of like men & women who embrace breast implants/ lip filler/gym 'restructuring' now its more widely available.

You don't need to identify as trans to express masculine traits, or present in a 'masculine' way as a woman.

Taking testosterone in large doses is harmful to the female body and that is before you start on radical surgeries.

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/09/2025 09:42

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 09:02

Sorry to have to break the news to you, but the word 'sex' isn't what you need to believe it means.

'Sex' specifically denotes characteristic distinctions between the sexes that include born characteristics, those that are attained later & behavioural ones.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex

No it doesn't. 'Sex' is that which is coded genetically and in the chromosomes and which dictates your body's reproductive function.

What you are talking about is individual expression, preference or character -some of which may well be directly influenced by one's biological function and its consequences.

Helleofabore · 06/09/2025 09:43

Howseitgoin · 05/09/2025 23:56

No, the 50, 60's & early 70's. If you think they are as forthright as the women of today I have a bridge to sell you.

As an example, MRA's love to quote those bogus women's 'Happiness' surveys that 'prove' women were happier pre sex revolution & working.

My point to them as it is to you is that we are dealing with a completely different animal these days. Have daughter have scars….

Personally, as an older female, I would love to whore it up today as the culture now allows but my Catholic/immigrant upbringing gets in the way…

*”I would love to whore it up today”

WTAF!

The misogyny just keeps coming !

And then this.

If you've ever been to a beach recently you might notice a difference in attire between younger & older women as in Gstrings. Personally Iv'e still got the butt to carry it as well as them but I just wouldn't. I'm from a different era where that's just 'too much'.

”The women of today are evidently more sexually permissive because its now more culturally acceptable to be. As in having numerous sexual partners does not make one 'damaged goods' any more & anyone suggesting such would be socially shamed.”

What the actual fuck! On a feminist board!

BundleBoogie · 06/09/2025 09:43

OldCrone · 06/09/2025 09:37

I think @Howseitgoin thinks he's got the upper hand here, because (a) we're just women and (b) lots of us are older women, who he seems to think are very meek, and probably just do what our husbands tell us to.

He also seems to think that the world went straight from the 1940s to the 21st century and seems to have missed that the changes of the 2nd half of the 20th century ever occurred.

I'm assuming he is one of those with a vested interest in promoting the myth of the trans child.

If howse takes the time to read our posts properly, I think he would be disabused of that notion.

I’m also choosing to use the pronoun he as I can’t believe a woman would make the argument that older women are ‘meek’ in a million years so I have to assume that’s a man writing.

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 09:55

OldCrone · 06/09/2025 09:17

None of this explains the lack of older women NOW discovering their trans identity in proportionate numbers.

@BundleBoogie you must have missed the post where @Howseitgoin explained that that's because us older women are all shrinking violets who are too meek to have the confidence to "come out" as trans.

"are all" Where?

That you need to misrepresent speaks to the insecurity in your argument. Thanks for heads up pal….

AnSolas · 06/09/2025 09:56

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 09:02

Sorry to have to break the news to you, but the word 'sex' isn't what you need to believe it means.

'Sex' specifically denotes characteristic distinctions between the sexes that include born characteristics, those that are attained later & behavioural ones.

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex

If " women " can mean male humans
then " sex " can mean a Blue Assed Monkey (which exist)

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 09:57

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/09/2025 09:42

No it doesn't. 'Sex' is that which is coded genetically and in the chromosomes and which dictates your body's reproductive function.

What you are talking about is individual expression, preference or character -some of which may well be directly influenced by one's biological function and its consequences.

Edited

b
: the sum of the structural, functional, and sometimes behavioral characteristics of organisms that distinguish males and females

😂

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 09:58

BundleBoogie · 06/09/2025 09:40

But in this case, the ‘social usage’ of the word was to mean sex as the immutable binary reproductive characteristic of humans. So your link is irrelevant.

What case?

Helleofabore · 06/09/2025 09:59

OldCrone · 06/09/2025 07:35

You think that women over 40 aren't "transing" later in life "due to restrictive cultural norms regarding women of their time that they weren't able to shake"? What cultural norms of the 80s and 90s are you referring to?

Do you find that the older women posting on here aren't very forthright? I'm sure we can fix that.

Edited

This poster seems to have made some very disconnected points to support their view.

I can assure you in the 80s and 90s in Australia, the beaches and public pools were full of women wearing the same attire as they pretty much wear today. And women of the 1960s-1990s were certainly not silent and ‘seen and not heard’! Yet we are being told this poster grew up in Australia.

On the other hand, we must all be young apparently.

The argument is really disjointed, but it is in keeping with all the other posts of the past week.

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 10:01

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/09/2025 09:40

You don't need to identify as trans to express masculine traits, or present in a 'masculine' way as a woman.

Taking testosterone in large doses is harmful to the female body and that is before you start on radical surgeries.

Sure you don't "need to" just like women don't need a boob job. The context was why would they & the answer is an embracement of their organic inclinations to express their femininity or masculinity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/09/2025 10:01

I watched it on Neighbours and Home and Away at the time 😂

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/09/2025 10:04

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 10:01

Sure you don't "need to" just like women don't need a boob job. The context was why would they & the answer is an embracement of their organic inclinations to express their femininity or masculinity.

There is no 'organic' inclination. The inclination is rooted in the mind.

Men cannot be come women. Impossible.....no matter their 'inclination'.

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 10:08

OldCrone · 06/09/2025 09:37

I think @Howseitgoin thinks he's got the upper hand here, because (a) we're just women and (b) lots of us are older women, who he seems to think are very meek, and probably just do what our husbands tell us to.

He also seems to think that the world went straight from the 1940s to the 21st century and seems to have missed that the changes of the 2nd half of the 20th century ever occurred.

I'm assuming he is one of those with a vested interest in promoting the myth of the trans child.

@OldCrone appears to be living in a bourgeoisie white woman's bubble where mummy & daddy raised 'one' equally despite the era.

But did they succeed in shielding her from misogynistic topes? It would appear not given 'one' assumes anyone who doesn't agree with bourgeoisie white woman's bubble mentality must be a 'he'….🤡

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 10:10

Shortshriftandlethal · 06/09/2025 10:04

There is no 'organic' inclination. The inclination is rooted in the mind.

Men cannot be come women. Impossible.....no matter their 'inclination'.

Personality traits being shared by the sexes is an uncontroversial conclusion in scientific circles.

AnSolas · 06/09/2025 10:10

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 09:57

b
: the sum of the structural, functional, and sometimes behavioral characteristics of organisms that distinguish males and females

😂

Yep

Sex can be guessed by behavioral trends eg looking at 3 animals attempting to engage in sexual reproduction.

If 2 of the animals are trying to gain sexual access to only one of the 3 and not each other.....

With no idea of the animal type one can take a guess that the two attempting to gain access to the One are of the same sex and the One is not the same sex as the two attempting to mate it.

AnSolas · 06/09/2025 10:18

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 10:08

@OldCrone appears to be living in a bourgeoisie white woman's bubble where mummy & daddy raised 'one' equally despite the era.

But did they succeed in shielding her from misogynistic topes? It would appear not given 'one' assumes anyone who doesn't agree with bourgeoisie white woman's bubble mentality must be a 'he'….🤡

Now the nasty personal attacks are not nice.

When you let your #BeKind mask slip it peaks another reader.

And the racist tropes that only white parents seen and tried to break down sexism and raise girls with the same values as their boys is a little ... errr... racist....

Helleofabore · 06/09/2025 10:19

But did they succeed in shielding her from misogynistic topes?

The comedy is rolling through this thread. A poster who has been posting misogynistically is now talking about other’s being misogynist?

It has to be comedy?

AnSolas · 06/09/2025 10:20

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 10:10

Personality traits being shared by the sexes is an uncontroversial conclusion in scientific circles.

Go on

A) name a Personality Trait which only female humans have but no male humans have...

B) name a Personality Trait which only male humans have but no female humans have...

OldCrone · 06/09/2025 10:20

Howseitgoin · 06/09/2025 09:55

"are all" Where?

That you need to misrepresent speaks to the insecurity in your argument. Thanks for heads up pal….

You said:

No, the 50, 60's & early 70's. If you think they are as forthright as the women of today I have a bridge to sell you.

So your implication is that women who were born/grew up in the 50s 60s and 70s aren't as 'forthright' as 'women of today'. I assume by 'women of today' you mean younger women, since there are plenty of women born in the 50s, 60s and 70s who are still around so are still 'women of today'.

If you meant to say something else you should have said it.

Make your posts clearer and people won't misunderstand them.

Helleofabore · 06/09/2025 10:21

Are we going to get the behaviours study posted again?

Is that the proof of this behaviour ?