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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

teenage girls and middle-aged men

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onlytherain · 04/09/2025 22:18

I have read a few times here and elsewhere that the two groups with the highest rates of being trans or highest increase in transitioning are teenage girls and middle-aged men. I can only find data for teenage girls. Could someone please point me to data supporting the claim that middle-aged men are a group with high transitioning rates?

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Helleofabore · 08/09/2025 03:38

Howseitgoin · 07/09/2025 23:52

This quote sums up much of the attitude of the authoritarian far right these days which is to say 'principals (in this case word construction) don't matter if they are inconvenient' with a side of '& they are conspiratorially exploited to usher in ideology'.

As shown, word usage isn't a conspiracy but a socially powered phenomenon that includes both the usage of women & men. The idea this is just a male plot is frankly as bizarre as it it is illogical.

Maybe this poster thinks she can make this obvious inconsistency go away with posting yet another link to my post about Camille Paglia? I'm sure she will try…😂

Thanks for supporting my point.

Another really great job by you.

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 06:05

Howseitgoin · 07/09/2025 23:52

This quote sums up much of the attitude of the authoritarian far right these days which is to say 'principals (in this case word construction) don't matter if they are inconvenient' with a side of '& they are conspiratorially exploited to usher in ideology'.

As shown, word usage isn't a conspiracy but a socially powered phenomenon that includes both the usage of women & men. The idea this is just a male plot is frankly as bizarre as it it is illogical.

Maybe this poster thinks she can make this obvious inconsistency go away with posting yet another link to my post about Camille Paglia? I'm sure she will try…😂

You cant prove your theory

How can you group female and male people using personality?

Your sample size is 100 persons

50 female
50 male

What traits are you going to use to break down the 100 persons it 2 groups?

Split the group by or your social usage theory is a crap.

Fyi Apples and oranges can be split into 2 groups using biology eg by skin texture and smell.

Datun · 08/09/2025 07:34

When people like Howse say crap like sex is determined by personality, but only in humans, obvs, not in animals, don't be daft. in my mind that I see Helen Joyce with her fabulous, barely suppressed amused incredulity at the lengths transactivists will go.

Making themselves look like desperate fools prepared to say any old shit, seems to be a feature, not a bug.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 08:26

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 00:04

Um, the animal kingdom doesn't have the same brain functions as humans. There's this thing called 'apples & oranges'….

That's why we have specific words to describe brain functions which we believe are unique to humans, and a whole swathe of vocabulary to describe different character and personality traits (some of which we might also use to refer to animals).

Sex isn't one of those words. Sex relates solely to reproductive function and is the same in humans as it is in all other mammals.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 08:26

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 00:04

Um, the animal kingdom doesn't have the same brain functions as humans. There's this thing called 'apples & oranges'….

That's why we have specific words to describe brain functions which we believe are unique to humans, and a whole swathe of vocabulary to describe different character and personality traits (some of which we might also use to refer to animals).

Sex isn't one of those words. Sex relates solely to reproductive function and is the same in humans as it is in all other mammals.

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 08:28

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 08:26

That's why we have specific words to describe brain functions which we believe are unique to humans, and a whole swathe of vocabulary to describe different character and personality traits (some of which we might also use to refer to animals).

Sex isn't one of those words. Sex relates solely to reproductive function and is the same in humans as it is in all other mammals.

Nope. see 1(b)

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex

Definition of SEX

either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures… See the full definition

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sex

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 08:33

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 08:28

I've already explained that we don't use Yank dictionaries in the UK. We don't follow the example of stupid people who can't even use their own native language correctly.

Igneococcus · 08/09/2025 08:35

Datun · 08/09/2025 07:34

When people like Howse say crap like sex is determined by personality, but only in humans, obvs, not in animals, don't be daft. in my mind that I see Helen Joyce with her fabulous, barely suppressed amused incredulity at the lengths transactivists will go.

Making themselves look like desperate fools prepared to say any old shit, seems to be a feature, not a bug.

And all that just so men can get their dicks out in female only spaces, mad.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 08:38

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 08:33

I've already explained that we don't use Yank dictionaries in the UK. We don't follow the example of stupid people who can't even use their own native language correctly.

That said, even the Merriam Webster definition doesn't say what you want it to say.

Shortshriftandlethal · 08/09/2025 08:39

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 08:28

"The word "sex" in the Oxford English Dictionary primarily refers to two main concepts: the biological state of being male or female, or the physical activity of sexual intercourse"

That's it. Makes are not females and never can be.

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 09:00

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 08:33

I've already explained that we don't use Yank dictionaries in the UK. We don't follow the example of stupid people who can't even use their own native language correctly.

female
adjective
UK
/ˈfiː.meɪl/ US
/ˈfiː.meɪl/
female adjective (GENDER)
Add to word list

belonging or relating to women or girls:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/female

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relate

1. to find or show the connection between two or more things: 2. to tell a…

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/relate

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 09:01

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 09:00

female
adjective
UK
/ˈfiː.meɪl/ US
/ˈfiː.meɪl/
female adjective (GENDER)
Add to word list

belonging or relating to women or girls:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/female

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Women and girls are female people.

"Trans female athlete" is synonym for "male athlete".

Helleofabore · 08/09/2025 09:01

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 08:38

That said, even the Merriam Webster definition doesn't say what you want it to say.

No it doesn’t.

It says:

the sum of the structural, functional, and sometimes behavioral characteristics of organisms that distinguish males and females

The poster is trying to introduce a new concept into that meaning forgetting that if it was a new concept, it would not be under meaning 1. Introducing personality traits does not fit under meaning 1.

And that ‘behaviours’ have to be completely distinct to belong to 1b. As in a male person inserting a penis into a female vagina. Otherwise it is not distinguishable as being male or female.

The dictionary would not be using ‘behaviours’ meaning personality that any person of either sex could do such as the survey study that keeps being posted.

And the meaning of ‘structures’ doesn’t mean a fake surgically created body parts should be considered even remotely equivalent to the original just because someone uses the wrong term for it.

It is just as much a house of cards built on falsity as the rest of any other theories people use to prop up the concept that a male person can be a woman.

And apples and oranges know they need either male or female parts to produce fruit either on the same plant or two plants with one being male and one being female. Plants understand what male and female means for sexual reproduction.

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 09:04

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 09:01

Women and girls are female people.

"Trans female athlete" is synonym for "male athlete".

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"relating"
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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 08/09/2025 09:14

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 09:04

"relating"
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Trans identifying males don't relate to women or girls in any way.

theilltemperedmaggotintheheartofthelaw · 08/09/2025 09:38

It's obvious why young 'transitioners' are predominantly female, given what we know about social contagion, and that it's not even particularly irrational to want to escape growing up as the despised and abused sex.

I'm more concerned, and angry, about the failure of policy makers to protect girls and women, by uncritically exposing them to unscientific gender theories and harmful medical practices.

Medical transitioning is much more 'successful' in females than in males, because of the incredible, and irreversible, transformative effects of testosterone. So a woman can afford to wait until much later, by which time she might have thought better of the idea, or at least mitigated some of the medical harms.

Yet, everywhere, middle-aged men are proselytising for early FtM transition, including use of PBs, despite knowing nothing about growing up as a woman, and themselves having very different transitioning 'needs'.

According to Blanchard, three-quarters of male heterosexual transition is driven by a paraphilia which is a manifestation of mature male sexuality. So, they grow up, have a family, and then transition, but feel sad because T already did a number on them. All their campaigning for PBs is a futile exercise in projection.

Hence, they spend the rest of the time arguing that anyone who correctly observes them as male is a bigot. Two pronged attack. Destroy the health of young women, pointlessly. Force the rest of us to live in a stupid mind-control dystopia.

SnowflakeSmasher86 · 08/09/2025 09:43

5128gap · 07/09/2025 11:47

A male who identifies as a female does not face misogyny. If he is hated for not conforming to male stereotypes, he is experiencing toxic masculinity, not misogyny. Misogyny may be at the root of the disaproval of a man who wishes to assume womanhood, because there may be a failure to understand why he would wish to be 'less than' the man he is. But this means he is hated for his choices not for his sex. Misogyny is not something women can swerve by keeping our femaleness on the back burner until we find a kinder more accepting society, or grow old and powerful enough for it to no longer harm us.

I love this. Thank you, so eloquently put.

BundleBoogie · 08/09/2025 09:50

Howseitgoin · 07/09/2025 23:52

This quote sums up much of the attitude of the authoritarian far right these days which is to say 'principals (in this case word construction) don't matter if they are inconvenient' with a side of '& they are conspiratorially exploited to usher in ideology'.

As shown, word usage isn't a conspiracy but a socially powered phenomenon that includes both the usage of women & men. The idea this is just a male plot is frankly as bizarre as it it is illogical.

Maybe this poster thinks she can make this obvious inconsistency go away with posting yet another link to my post about Camille Paglia? I'm sure she will try…😂

I have no idea why you are shoehorning ‘far right’ into this - maybe because you’ve got no comeback so you just try and discredit?

As shown, word usage isn't a conspiracy but a socially powered phenomenon that includes both the usage of women & men. The idea this is just a male plot is frankly as bizarre as it it is illogical.

You haven’t shown anything of the sort. There has no ‘social powering’ to the linguistic changes imposed by trans activists. It is entirely done by sneaking around and lobbying behind the scenes, then bullying anyone who objects. They’ve told us this. If you aren’t aware of this I suggest you go back a few years in FWR and learn some basic facts.

The changes to the law and word usage only benefit men. Trans activists even object to legal rulings that benefit trans identifying females (‘transmen’). There is no question which group the trans activists and their enablers champion - it’s the men.

OldCrone · 08/09/2025 10:08

I don't know why you keep posting links to dictionaries.

Dictionaries may reflect the way people speak (although there are some differences in language in different English-speaking countries), but they don't actually change reality.

No dictionary definition can turn male bodies into female bodies.

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 10:12
hall of fame game missed the point GIF

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OldCrone · 08/09/2025 10:15

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 10:12

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What is your point?

The only point you seem to want to make is that men can be women.

They can't.

The end.

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 10:18

I'm not sure that Howie has an argument beyond posting links to the yank dictionary and using terms from Formal Logic for Dummies that he doesn't understand...

...but to the extent that he does, he seems remarkably uninterested in what's happening with teenage girls - and the idea of social contagion will be very plausible to anyone who's seen how quickly anorexia can rip through a school - but extremely interested in the idea that, if online sources will change the definitions of words, male people will thereby become female people and it's definitely not a fetish.

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 10:18

Howseitgoin · 08/09/2025 10:12

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Yes please

Prove your theory

How can you group female and male people using personality?

Your sample size is 100 persons
50 female
50 male

What traits are you going to use to break down the 100 persons it 2 groups?

Split the group by or your social usage theory is a proof that the language fails to do what you claim it can.