Where do people think the transvestites have gone?

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I remember a time when a distinction was made between transexuals and transvestites, and there was a recognition that the latter category often cross dressed for fetishistic reasons.

But now everyone is just trans. So regarding those who advocate for any man who says he is trans to access women's single sex spaces, where do they think all the transvestites have gone?

Lots of women love dressing up in ballgowns and jewels. Lots of women love wearing little shorts and a bikini top. They enjoy being looked at when they dress like that. But they don't dress like that in the office, because there's a written or unwritten office dress code. @ShadesOfoptimism is taking advantage of the transwomen are women loophole to breach the dress code, that's all. Even if you believe in trans, he isn't trans.

Are far as I know I am the only one, at least in the office I am based at, as for why do I enjoy it, I just enjoy wearing a skirt/dress, heels etc in the same way that other people might enjoy wearing particular clothes.

When I started doing this (8 years ago) I discussed it with HR and they were fine with it provided I didn’t wear anything ‘over the top’ for want of a better phrase, which I don’t (obviously). There isn’t any hard and fast rules op how one should dress in the office.

I'm all for expanding the bandwidth of male expression, and any man dressed anyhow is safe next to me. I wouldn't suit a frock myself, but look bang tidy in my kilts.

Oh I see my comment has been deleted 😂

Clearly ShadesOfoptimism didn’t like hearing the truth!!

It is a progressive condition which starts off with an impulse, but then gradually starts to enlarge into a full blown obsession. 'Female' and 'feminisation' becomes the object of desire. It is the same with pornography. The more you indulge, the more you need ever stronger and more extreme stimulus to create the desired effect or state of arousal and satisfaction.

There are unspoken rules, though, especially when it comes to women who want to be taken seriously.

You are not being fully honest. Why would a man enjoy wearing extreme items of culturally associated 'femininity'? What is that particular pleasure?
I'm a woman and have not worn heels since I was 14 years old. They are deeply uncomfortable items of attire and add nothing to my being female or feeling confident in that particular state of being.

John Lewis is my 'go to' option. I like them thick, black and woolly. Make sure to always to buy a larger size than you imagine you need. There is nothing worse than a hanging crotch.

You're using / abusing the trans loophole. A key (but generally unspoken, because it shouldn't need to be said) part of the office dress code is that men don't wear women's clothes or jewellery or makeup. Women don't wear men's clothes either.

If this isn't a male sexual fetish, where are all the disturbed women dressing up as their fathers?

I prefer thermal leggings. M&s have them for about £15 and worn with my walking boots they look just like tights and I can wear them under a tunic.
Or the range do heat holder tights. They're not bad either.

@RogueFemale I didn't get the impression that he saw many or possibly any women at his gender dysphoria clinic! So do you think that cross dressing is always a sexual fetish? And why do you think so many cross dressing men dress to look like their mothers or (let's face it) their wives?

It’s the elephant in the room really - until the trans community are open about the fetish aspect and call it out for what it is, they’re going to continue to struggle hugely with their PR.

Why do they dress like their wives? Or why did they marry women who look like their fetish?

I wonder how much is clothing envy? As in, women get the colourful outfits whilst men get Yet Another Grey Suit.

Snag are popular with the Style And Beauty regulars. They come in all the colours. For work, avoid the fishnet and mock garter styles because they are for nights out only.

Don't buy heavy deniers in supermarket own-brand or otherwise cheap makes because they itch and itch.

I am reminded of this guy, who makes male dresses for himself, designed to fit his body. https://www.menshealth.com/style/a35477719/gender-fluid-fashion-style-dresses-men/

When doing so, do you use the male or female toilets?

(1) Why do you think the people who love dressing up for halloween don't do it once a week in the office?
(2) Do you worry that people look at you and assume that you are doing it for sexual reasons (autogynephilia or transvestic fetishism)?

"presenting as female" 🙄

Female is clothes and makeup and tucked-in bollocks of course 🤮