Where do people think the transvestites have gone?

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I remember a time when a distinction was made between transexuals and transvestites, and there was a recognition that the latter category often cross dressed for fetishistic reasons.

But now everyone is just trans. So regarding those who advocate for any man who says he is trans to access women's single sex spaces, where do they think all the transvestites have gone?

Trans is a loophole, everything about it is a loophole

There are individual gender neutral toilets in the office, so no issues there.

It is not an accident!

I've recently noticed a few men wearing skirts without any attempt to look like a woman. Think typical man in jeans but replace with knee length skirt and tights, and nice UGG boots in one case. Would they be termed trans, transvestites, or just non conforming men? Pushing boundaries of fashion should be no big deal, and it is after all how women changed expectations in clothing and beyond (defying the "norms"). Men claiming to be women or demanding access to reserved spaces is where the line is crossed.

Interesting - I like some of this guy's outfits. I'm impressed he makes his own clothes (as I am equally when a woman does).

I agree with @GoldenGate Pushing boundaries of fashion should be no big deal, and it is after all how women changed expectations in clothing and beyond (defying the "norms"). Men claiming to be women or demanding access to reserved spaces is where the line is crossed.

I like some of this guy's outfits.

He's pattern cut them to fit and suit his body, so they fit him properly. I think a lot of why cross-dressers tend to look weird is because their clothes don't fit.

Oh, that reminds me of someone I saw in a docu about recycling/upcycling (he wasn't in it because he wore a skirt, but because he used to be an electrician and was helping a friend to build a smoking box for fishes from scrap).
He was an artist, had a studio in a village and built and presented his work there. His style of dress was pretty much like that of Sebastiaan, but more colourful, black with stylized flowers on it. Also wore black leggings with his knee lenghth skirt and (male) sandals (it was autumn when they filmed). Short male haircut, no beard, no makeup.
I didn't record it back then, but I should have, just to be able to refer or quote it (haven't been able to find the title or maker of the docu)

But I would agree that in the current climate of obsession with transwomen the mere crossdressers have been forgotten about. If a little boy wants to wear a dress maybe he just wants to wear a dress - but society seems to want to make it easier for him to identify as a girl and even live as one. People should stop assuming we are on a journey to imagined womanhood - most crossdressers are very happy being male, as I am.

This is the same for women who dress 'butch' to be fair. It infuriates me.

@Feelingthebreeze

Cross dressers ended up being co-opted by stonewall in to there rush to define everyone as trans, and as with various other groups got forgotten, pushed to the back and then dismissed once stonewall and TRAs realised that there was no gain to including them in the group.

It is somewhat ammusing to see that the most vocal have been TiMs, Fetishists, and drag queens.

If you weren't male though you wouldn't get compliments when you went out. This isn't something most women experience regularly!