Women's 'Private Spaces'

[Howseitgoin]

Clearly private spaces for women are considered a necessity by many due to a propensity for male sexual violence. Given this threat is much greater by orders of magnitude in the work place as opposed to public bathrooms, isn't it inconsistent not to demand private spaces there as well?
Thoughts?

Clearly not, but giving them permission makes their crimes a whole lot easier to commit, doesn't it?

"In which case trans identifying men are surely just as much risk from women in women's toilets as they are from men in men's toilets, right? So they might as well go in men's toilets since the risk is the same, according to you."

As repeatedly posted. Trans women are four times as likely to be abused by men in their bathrooms. There's a decreased risk in women's. Comprende?

I'm perfectly happy being a snarky poster, I've never claimed to not be. But I'm not the one trying to persuade a load of women that men should be allowed into women single sex spaces just because those men want to access them.

So a male free environment is safer for trans identifying men but not safer for women and girls? How do you work that one out?

Edit: Wait, a "decreased risk"? Are you actually suggesting that the presence of men who think they are women makes single sex spaces safer for women and girls?

"Clearly not, but giving them permission makes their crimes a whole lot easier to commit, doesn't it?"

How to say 'I know nothing about sexual violence' without saying it. Again the necessary condition for sexual violence is the opportunity of being ALONE. Whether there's permission is irrelevant to that necessity.

Yes, Einstein, and the reason Katie Dolatowski was able to get a ten year old girl on her own is because he was allowed to use the women's toilets.

The OP thinks that men should self determine themselves into space the OP think shouldnt or don't exist.

Thats correct isnt, it?

You dont believe that women are legally entitled to single sex spaces and opportunities, but believes a subsection of men need those spaces for saftey?

I think the OP is just having some fun at our expense.

Obviously the rights and safety of women and girls is not something to joke about, so, dick move by the OP either way, but no one actually believes in the arguments the OP has made.

Anyway, I'm going to try and get some sleep for the next couple of hours safe in the knowledge that the OP has done a sterling job of demonstrating why the UK is right and other countries are wrong, and why it is the rest of the western world that needs to adopt the UK's approach to women's rights Vs trans rights, not the other way around.

"I'm perfectly happy being a snarky poster, I've never claimed to not be. But I'm not the one trying to persuade a load of women that men should be allowed into women single sex spaces just because those men want to access them."

Really? And yet your 'role models' Jk & co bathe in it so snark must be somewhat persuasive no?

That abusers of human rights deserve anything less or would be moved from their immovable irrational zealotry is quite a hoot.

Of course those who would be persuaded aren't going to be persuaded by those who aren't genuinely impassioned or need to apologetically beg for permission to be kicked in the face. That kind reeks insecurity in argument.

You are missing the point. If you are trying to convince people that you are somebody akin to them and a fit person to share spaces with them in situations where they are vulnerable, neither "suck my girl dick" nor "up yours" is likely to advance your cause. Most people (of either sex) don't like being spoken to like that and women in particular tend to take a jaundiced view of sexualised rudeness because they are so often the target of it. As any woman would know.

When it comes to who uses the women's toilets a man is a man regardless of how he feels in his head. There is no reduction in risk after a man says I am a woman. If he was a horrible man before he'll be a horrible man after. If he was a nice man before then after he'd continue to use the gents or use the gender neutral option.

As far as I'm concerned a man at risk from other men is entirely down to men to sort. Does that make me a horrible uncaring individual? In your mind probably, but then I don't give a shiny shit what others think of me.

The OP also believes that single sex spaces don't offer any saftey for women from men, but a subset of men need to use the spaces to give them the saftey away from other men?

You've posted no evidence whatsoever about the relative risk to trans males in different types of bathrooms. The data you're citing simply.isn't detailed enough for that kind of comparative risk analysis.

But before you go off and attempt to find another source, I'd add that even if the crime surveys did have this level of detail I'd be sceptical of numbers self-reported by a demographic group with a victim complex and a strong vested interest in a particular statistical result.

And more importantly, any such statistics wouldn't make any difference anyway. If males are being assaulted in male-only facilities or services, then that is a problem for men to sort out. Not a reason to compromise the safety and privacy of women.

Yes, Einstein, and the reason Katie Dolatowski was able to get a ten year old girl on her own is because he was allowed to use the women's toilets.

Lol, seriously. 'the permission made isolation magically appear'🤪

The fact that your response to a ten year old girl being seriously sexually assaulted by a trans identifying man in a female only space is a facetious remark and an emoji tells us everything we need to know about you.

Really am I perfectly happy being a snarky poster?

Totally. My default personality is sarcastic narcissist.

"You dont believe that women are legally entitled to single sex spaces and opportunities, but believes a subsection of men need those spaces for saftey?"

Um, trans women are women so that's irrelevant.

Not in the UK they're not.

Or anywhere else for that matter. It's a lie whatever country you're in and whatever language you say it in.

You dont think womens spaces are legal or actually protect women from men.

So why do you think TW can have and benefit from womens spaces?

"Most people (of either sex) don't like being spoken to like that and women in particular tend to take a jaundiced view of sexualised rudeness because they are so often the target of it. As any woman would know."

Oh really 'mean' words not like pedo, predator, delusional freak not ok? Not persuasive? Might be time you take your own advice…

What you really don't like here is the no 'beggy beggy nice' anymore. You reap what you sow…

Um, trans women are women so that's irrelevant

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Good one OP. Nice of you to slip a little joke in.

Not in the UK they're not.

Lol for the purposes of a special exemption that a provider feels like giving women doesn't sound like the win you think it is…

Obviously having lots of problems with women, yet supporting trans identifying men unconditionally, shows that you dont believe that trans identifying men are women.

You are using trans identifying men as a threat agsinst women. This isnt what trans identifying men want.

You dont like trans identifying men, or women, do you Howsit?

Another no shiit Sherlock moment. We know that an employer doesn’t have to.

And yet, if they put a label on the door saying ‘female’, it miraculously does become a single sex space. Ta da.

We have already said this. And pointed out this is not the gotcha you and allslop are making it. But since you cannot engage except in these ridiculous sound bites you probably forgot what people have and haven’t said.