What would you actually do if you saw a transperson in the wrong toilet/changing room for their sex?

[FattyMcFattyArse]

I've been pondering this ever since the FWS decision and since I saw an obviously male transperson using the ladies at a service station. I initially froze and wanted to say something, but all my Britishness and female social conditioning made me just mutter under my breath and walk away in disgust.

What would you do?

What have you done?

What is the right thing to do?

They don't belong there, according to the law.

Right??

So what? No different to seeing a man cleaning.

Thank you.

I'm a bit concerned that some people would turn a blind eye to this and apparently not do anything at all.

I wouldn't suggest any woman confront a man in a woman's space, because that would be putting herself at risk.

However, the idea that women should 'mind their own business' or for some reason feel sorry for a man in a women's space, and at no point ever consider the logical assertion that a man entering a women's space presents a risk is concerning.

Why would you think men would look female?

A man who is not employed by the venue to clean the toilets, who will not put a sign outside warning women of his presence, who knowingly uses a space that he is explicitly excluded from using, is harming women.

Even if small girls never went into public toilets without their mothers, theres an age where they wouldnt be in the stalls together.

If a girl is waiting for her mother to finish, and a man walks in, it doesnt take a great deal of imagination to believe she would be intimidated.

If she talked about this to her mother later, would people here really say, "dont worry about it. Its really normal for a man to come in"?

Haha because some do! Trans…

If a man is cleaning, they're supposed to put up a sign so that women using the facilities can give informed consent to a man being present.

If a 'transwoman' enters, there is no informed consent for the women. You think that's okay?

I would not view that person as harming me unless they harmed me. Their mere presence doesn’t ‘harm’ me. We could actually have a nice chat about lipstick 😊!

I think you haven't given this any thought beyond 'be nice to the men'. The rights of women and girls to privacy, dignity and safety hasn't really occurred to you. You were very quick to name the specific age of a child at which you think another parent is neglectful to allow them to use a toilet on their own - but couldn't name an age at which you thought it non-neglectful.

Yup.👍

I'm sure there are a good amount of women who would scold their daughter for raising the question.

https://x.com/pennyred/status/1409790944635883523?lang=en

'... I haven't met your daughter, and I'm not her parent. But I'd advise her not to stare at other people's genitals without their permission, because it's rude.'

Their physiology, gait, frame, facial features are all strongly affected by the male puberty they have gone through. The only men who might come even close to passing as women would be those who transitioned pre puberty. This would be very rare.

The context for Laurie Penny's tweet upthread was Derren Merager, the sex offender, being naked in a women's spa.

Laurie thought women sounding the alarm were at fault.

You think it's okay to give away women's single sex spaces without their consent?

Why do you value women and their boundaries so little?

Delilah presumably thinks that what men want matters more than what women want.

Yes, that much is obvious

Well you can think what you like 🤷‍♀️ it has no bearing on anything especially not the truth.

How is stating a fact being smug 🤷‍♀️ I never said anything smug about it??

But this is a valid point, no?

You were very quick to name the specific age of a child at which you think another parent is neglectful to allow them to use a toilet on their own - but couldn't name an age at which you thought it non-neglectful

Why were you so sure on one, but not the other?

So you have given the safety, dignity and privacy of women and girls consideration? Excellent! So how do you square that with allowing men into women and girls' toilets?

Still no age though - you're determined to avoid that question, aren't you.

So we have had:

I’m alright Jack, the rest of you are [hysterical, insert any other demonising term] plus a celebratory emoji.

Women and girls should just self exclude from public life if they cannot accept that some men are women.

Women, you shouldn’t get distracted from my political aims that I think you should focus on. Because there are ‘so few’ of these special men.

And you cannot treat all male people as if they are rapists! (While showing complete ignorance of safeguarding principles and how risk assessment principles work.

But male cleaners….

All this plus more, just to make male people feel better and the female people enabling them accessing female single sex spaces feel righteous, inclusive and …. kind.

6 is too young in MY opinion, I wouldn’t harangue someone I saw doing it but it wasn’t for me. How is it ok for you all to have your opinions but any that are different show ‘smugness’ ‘naivety’ ‘lack of critical thinking’ etc etc.

"Absolutely awful being so unremarkable a women that trans people existing makes you angry. Couldn't imagine it myself."

There were two posts along these lines. Second one even more - you are denying transwomen's rights to exist for using women's spaces.

I didn't realise that transwomen ceased to exist if they didn't use women's facilities, even when there are gender neutral options, of which there are many examples.

I didn't realise their existence depended on others believing them, a bit like Gods in Terry Pratchett. Of course I respect their religion as I respect all religions and lifestyles, including genuine nudists.

But getting naked where it is likely to cause / frighten others is a criminal offence as others have rights too like wymen.

Old timers i.e. @ArabellaScott are TRAs on here usually so deeply undoctrinated? If so I'm sorry you've been putting up with this crap for so long. I could come up with some better arguments... 😜

I wonder if thats what they actually tell their daughters, though?

If these women said that single sex toilets are unnecessary, they all should be mixed, and men do not pose risks, id understand their rationale.

But they usually accept single sex toilets, dont expect their husbands to come in, talk about the risk men pose. But as soon as they think a man identifies as a woman, suddenly everything changes? How do they explain the difference between a man and a tw to a child?

Ive never had a response that comes close to explaining it. All i get is sassy comments.