What would you actually do if you saw a transperson in the wrong toilet/changing room for their sex?

[FattyMcFattyArse]

I've been pondering this ever since the FWS decision and since I saw an obviously male transperson using the ladies at a service station. I initially froze and wanted to say something, but all my Britishness and female social conditioning made me just mutter under my breath and walk away in disgust.

What would you do?

What have you done?

What is the right thing to do?

They don't belong there, according to the law.

Please don’t patronise me, it isn’t necessary.

So, you're unwilling to even attempt to answer the question then?

Perhaps, in that case, you should sit this debate out and let people who actually take their children of the opposite sex out to public places be the judge of when it is appropriate to let your child use a public toilet on their own.

So happy for you.
I and probably others, would be too afraid to use the toilet.
Where does that leave us?

I can imagine all I want but it wouldn’t be a truthful representation because it didn’t happen, I could make up any old shite to appease you but that isn’t the way my mind works I’m afraid.

i never said I didn’t have a son ☺️

But you seem to have pretty strong views about it being neglectful parenting to let your six year old use the toilet on their own.

You are welcome to let me sit this out and stop asking me questions or making comments about me.

Remember, this man who provided the answer to the collateral numbers of women harmed for males being accepted in female single sex spaces. At least he was honest and didn’t deny there was going to be women harmed.

Chappell. A Philosophy professor at the Open University. And a man who says he should be listened to as a ‘woman’.

“On this particular issue of safety concerns raised when gender recognition acts are introduced, so a lot of this looks much more to me like anecdotes than data. It’s not like there’s a body of hard evidence that lots and lots of stuff is happening which is really bad. There’s the odd anecdote.”

and

“Suppose people were saying ‘Well you know if you make it easier for gay people to be themselves in society there’s going to be a crime wave or dreadful homosexual murders are going to happen, it’s going to be awful if we do that’, I think we’d rightly dismiss that as scaremongering and we’d say ‘No it doesn’t matter, it doesn’t matter’. It wouldn’t matter, actually, if there was a slight spike in those statistics because this isn’t about that kind of issue.”

A Week in the War on Women: Monday 20th September - Sunday 26th September (substack.com)

There is a link to the radio interview on this substack. I remember listening to it myself and felt shocked. This was referring to deaths and harms of women and girls because he felt that the 'safety issues' should be dismissed.

I mean Chappell was an advisor to BPAC too!

Just to pull out this:

“It wouldn’t matter, actually, if there was a slight spike in those statistics because this isn’t about that kind of issue.”

This is the type of person, if not one of the people directly, who have been shaping the framing of extreme trans activists for decades I believe.

“It wouldn’t matter, actually, if there was a slight spike in those statistics”

OK.

And you brought him into the women's toilets until what age?

There's nothing patronising about that post.

So they go out without you now. What age did they start going out without you and using toilets in these places? It's not a trick question, it's really easy to answer. Those of us who have children (esp daughters, given the context of this thread) could tell you without going round in circles in order to avoid answering the simple question.

You seem to have misunderstood the purpose of a discussion board.

So have you!

If I saw a man (with or without a dress on) follow a girl (any age) into a female only bathroom I would most certainly DO something. I would not wave away the answer because it was inconvenient to the utter bollocks I had been spouting.

Not in the slightest.

If you're going to say someone is a neglectful parent for letting their six year old go to the toilet on their own, whilst admitting that you let your teenagers go out without you, it is perfectly reasonable for people to ask where you draw the line between a child being too young to use the toilet on their own and too old not to, and for you to have given the idea some consideration.

Otherwise you're not contributing anything to the discussion other than "my way is the right way but I'm not telling you what that way is".

I didn’t say neglectful and I have said what my way was 🤦🏼‍♀️ 18 year olds going out is not the same as a 6 year old going to a public toilet alone. If you are unsatisfied with communicating with me then stop and don’t let the toilet door hit you on the way out.

Why all the secrecy @Dominoeffecter?

OK, so the line is somewhere between 6 and 18, but you're not willing to narrow it down at all.

Got it.

In the mean time, people with a little more skin in the game, perhaps because our husbands are actually hands on parents who take our daughters to places, have actually given the subject a little more consideration than you have, and are better placed to comment.

Why do you think?

There is no secrecy, this is the way I talk/write I’m afraid, I don’t have a choice. If someone asked me directly if I had a son i would’ve answered honestly, apologies if they did but im having a lot of things fired at me and it is slightly overwhelming

You think it’s because I’m secretly a man or a liar, I am neither.

Nothing because I wouldn’t necessarily realise (presumably in most cases they would look like a female). Quite possibly it’s already happened! Doesn’t bother me in the slightest.

Put your hard hat on 😂 at least it’ll give me a break.

No, I think it's because you prefer to stick your fingers in your ears and go "la la la I'm not listening!" rather than consider the safeguarding issues of letting men with gender identities use women's toilets.

Why would you presume that they would look female? Almost none of them look female.

I can’t imagine being smug because my husband never took his own children out without me.