What would you actually do if you saw a transperson in the wrong toilet/changing room for their sex?

[FattyMcFattyArse]

I've been pondering this ever since the FWS decision and since I saw an obviously male transperson using the ladies at a service station. I initially froze and wanted to say something, but all my Britishness and female social conditioning made me just mutter under my breath and walk away in disgust.

What would you do?

What have you done?

What is the right thing to do?

They don't belong there, according to the law.

So when would you allow your daughters into toilets by themselves? What feels reasonable to you in a general sense?

And how do you then safeguard their safety/dignity if men are allowed in there too?

I hope you are a lawyer so you actually get something fruitful from your doggedness ☺️ it’s totally wasted here. I suppose around 10 if you have no choice but if you do (smug smug smug) then do t make it

Literally nothing. Whatever I was planning on doing in the first place, wash my hands or whatever. To all the people who “just know” my friend has been mistaken for being trans countless times by people like you, presumably because she is tall and has short hair. Yet she has managed to give birth. Leave people alone.

Transwomen or men 😀

To be fair, Laurie Penny really is the textbook "cool girl". I very much doubt that she'd really be unfazed by an unexpected penis in her changing room, but she'd feel that she has to pretend to be cool with it.

I honestly don't think they have given it proper thought.

What they're doing is knee jerk virtue signalling.

All these points being raised to defend male people accessing female single sex provisions are simply recycled and been discussed in depth for years.

As you well know, TW are men.

Transwomen or men

You realise they are the same thing.....right?

Ok, so your 10 year old daughter goes into the ladies. A man follows her in. What do you do then?

to add:

You cannot tell.

But those special male people are not safe in the male single sex spaces (yet are the only vulnerable male group given special privileges above basic human rights of all other male people).

Toilet ‘fun’ facts

Sexual Offences Act Clause 71:
71Sexual activity in a public lavatory
A person commits an offence if—
1 (a)he is in a lavatory to which the public or a section of the public has or is permitted to have access, whether on payment or otherwise,
(b)he intentionally engages in an activity, and,
(c)the activity is sexual.
(2)For the purposes of this section, an activity is sexual if a reasonable person would, in all the circumstances but regardless of any person’s purpose, consider it to be sexual.
(3)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or both.]

When this clause was brought in, a male MP argued it was discriminatory towards men (it’s in an interesting section of Hansard). Men arguing about their toilet rights isn’t new - it was also argued by men in the days when you had to spend a penny to enter a loo, that men shouldn’t have this financial barrier as it would just make them keep weeing on buildings etc. instead. You can see buildings round certain streets in London have corrosion from wee and the urine deflectors on building wall corners. Men still had lots more toilets than women though it appears their sinks weren’t used as much (a pattern that continues today).

The size of toilet cubicles was even originally designed around men peeing in pubs and also restricted so two people couldn’t be in the same cubicle at the same time for sex. Obviously no thoughts for women who had to turn around and remove clothes to sort out periods or women with children.

Public toilets need to be treated with respect because we have so few of them left. The best way to keep them is to make them places people will not misuse. To not have public toilets discriminates against women more than men because women have periods and pregnancies etc.

Overwhelmingly it is male behaviour that is the problem. It is well recognised and well documented. It isn’t anti-men to say so, it’s just facts.

Women need single sex toilets designed for women, their safety and health. Even centring the loo placement after the sanitary bin is installed seems beyond designers.

10? The age that a girl was attacked by the hulking Dolatowski?

And my first question - So how do you square the safety, dignity and privacy of women and girls with allowing men into women and girls' toilets?

You don't think women's consent is important?

And you have daughters?

Wow.

Poor kid, I don’t know the facts of that case so I’ll go and look it up, presumably you are saying that there were adult women in the toilet that stood by and let it happen?

The two girls Katie Dolatowski sexually assaulted in women's toilets were 10 and 12.

What's the difference?

R.e. What age should a child go into loos alone?

Excellent reading for those thinking about this is Jonathan Haidt, The Anxious Generation.

With evidence, he argues that overprotective parenting (along other factors) is rewiring childhood and causing a rise in mental illness.

One problem parents even report parents as "neglectful" for allowing their children more independence even when it was commonplace in our generation.

I hope I would take more steps to protect girls and women in the loos/elsewhere than I would to protect myself. As one brave poster did.

Well I would’ve been in there with her, this 10 year old is fictional as I have been requested several times by several different people to make up an age, use my limited imagination and all that.

She's the textbook waste of oxygen.

#notinmyname

Why would you presume any such thing? The toilet in question was in a Morrison's supermarket, not the Barbican during the interval of a sold out concert.

The 10 year old who was sexually assaulted by Katie Dolatowski in a women's toilet whilst her law abiding dad was waiting outside is real, not fictional.

Do little girls whose mums can't be with them all the time not deserve to be safe?

At what point would you personally stop going into the toilet with your daughter then?

Im loving the fact that you have the imagination to see men as women, but not the imagination to put yourself in the postion of seeing a girl being followed into the toilets by a man. Or imagine yourself as a girl in that postion.