What would you actually do if you saw a transperson in the wrong toilet/changing room for their sex?

[FattyMcFattyArse]

I've been pondering this ever since the FWS decision and since I saw an obviously male transperson using the ladies at a service station. I initially froze and wanted to say something, but all my Britishness and female social conditioning made me just mutter under my breath and walk away in disgust.

What would you do?

What have you done?

What is the right thing to do?

They don't belong there, according to the law.

Look up autogynephilia. It's the underlying motivation for most of these men who demand to access female spaces.

Most toilets have lower level hand dryers too, so that shorter people/children can use them.

Yet the risk is not 0%.

Oh, and here comes the 'hysteria' sexist slur. Why not call us witches, hags and the c word, too?

There is 'hysteria' over MALES in female only safe intimate spaces FOR A GOOD REASON!!!

I don't know about your statistics, as I don't know how those men identify. But broadly I agree. Of course you are welcome to start other threads.

The trouble is that we, TERFs, continuously are told that there's little to no risk to allow men in women's facilities.

Evidently cases contradict this. We don't know how many there are. The number of sexual offences that are reported and go to court are very low. Many aren't imprisoned.

The most common sexual offences are voyeurism and indecent exposures, which are overwhelmingly commited by men against women.

There are other arguments for maintaining women's only spaces, such as privacy and dignity, and efficiency of services such as rape crisis centres.

The logical conclusion of this is that we must let all men into female spaces in case they feel "demonised".

And in case you haven't noticed, it's not only about rape. It's about voyeurism, about masturbation, and about women just wanting women-only spaces - to which we have a legal right.

Yet the main conviction for transwomen in prison are sexually related

And if you see someone shoplifting?

So the common denominator in your argument seems to be women being in danger from men. As men appear to be so violent and dangerous, what benefit do women and girls get from allowing them into female spaces. Can you name one benefit to women and girls of allowing men into single sec spaces?

sorry I missed the answer, could you direct me to it or quote post it?

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The thread isn't about that. The thread is about what we'd do if we saw a transperson in the women's toilets. My answer is, I'd use the toilet.

Males, as a sex class, represent more of a risk to women than other women do.

Males who are trans, or wearing women's clothes, either have the same risk profile as other males, which means their presence puts women at a higher risk, or they may in fact be motivated by a fetish/paraphilia. Which obviously presents a much higher risk again.

Katie Dolatowski, paedophile, assaulted a girl in the ladies toilet in the supermarket. That brave, brave girl shouted and fought back and got away.

Dolatowski, convicted, was placed in a women's prison and a women's homeless hostel.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/fife/832849/warning-as-transgender-sex-offender-placed-in-womens-hostel/

Why would a seven year old girl in the women's toilets at a department store be lost? What might indicate she was lost? How might you approach her?

How many people saw 'Katie' Dolatowski follow the girl into the toilet at Morrisons, I wonder?

Once when I was out with my mum we ran into a bloke in the ladies. I wasn’t gonna say anything but my mum said “the men’s is that way” and he said he was a woman and she laughed. Honestly I was pretty worried for her and when we left I said to her what if he’d fucking battered you and she said she doesn’t like men in the toilet with her daughter, doesn’t matter I’m a grown up. If I was alone I wouldn’t say anything, but if I was with my DD I would probably say something or wait outside till he leaves. It’s hard to say to be honest because it would depend on my mood. There’s a fine line between safety and standing up for what you believe in.

The thread was about what you would do if you saw someone of the opposite sex in a toilet not meant for them? Whether they identify as 'trans' or as anything else is besides the point.

So at what age are you going to stop asking whether the child is lost? 7? 8? 9? 10?
And what about the fella in the dress, are you going to just stop caring once you think the child can reach the sinks/wipe their own bottom?

What would you do if you saw a man in the womens toilet?

NO.

Assuming they could possibly be there to harm us in any way.
There's a massive difference....

The girl Dolatowski attacked was 11 or 12 iirc.

And yet the risk from my own partner is 0%. I know this because I know him. The statistical risk to other women from their partners is concerning, obviously, but not directly relevant to me. And whatever the risk of domestic violence for those women, it is independent of the risk to them from other men in women's toilets. You're the one creating a straw man.

Well assuming that in this scenario a stranger is so outraged and worried about this but not their parent one would assume they are lost.

And what about a fella not in a dress? Are you going to do something if you see a 7/8/9/10/11 etc... year old going in after/being followed in by a man in manly clothes?

Here is 'Katie', towering over two women prison officers.

news.stv.tv/west-central/scottish-prison-service-criticised-for-moving-trans-woman-katie-dolatowski-to-cornton-vale-stirling

R.e. domestic violence, this has actually reminded me of those posters in loos of DV charities that can help and phone numbers.

Those in a controlled relationship can't Google them on their mobiles, or call them in their homes. It's not uncommon for the police to be called from women's toilets.

That's another reason for keeping them single sex I had not considered before.