What would you actually do if you saw a transperson in the wrong toilet/changing room for their sex?

[FattyMcFattyArse]

I've been pondering this ever since the FWS decision and since I saw an obviously male transperson using the ladies at a service station. I initially froze and wanted to say something, but all my Britishness and female social conditioning made me just mutter under my breath and walk away in disgust.

What would you do?

What have you done?

What is the right thing to do?

They don't belong there, according to the law.

Neither are you.

6 year old girls are capable of going to toilet alone. What do you think happens at school?

Why wouldn't a 6 year old be able to use a public toilet alone?

Why wouldn't you? What would you be afraid might happen?

Perhaps of they are merely aiming to provoke, they might realise that they are provoking women who are survivors of violence and rape.

And maybe they will realise that this is abhorrent behaviour.

But assuming lack of care on the parents part I would check on such a young child in the toilets alone in case they were lost regardless of who else may or may not be in there.

I’d assume they can’t reach the taps, could hurt themselves or not be hygienic at the very least, someone male or female could walk off with them.

You think a 6 year old can’t use loo roll and wash their hands? You’re not a parent then I’d guess?

Look, to lay it out clearly:

A sizeable subset of 'men who wear women's clothing' are fetishists. Not all, but many.

Masturbating in a women's loo is a whole p*rn category. I obviously can't/won't link to any of it, but there is plenty out there.

Transvestic fetishism is a paraphilia.

Here is the entry for 'gender incongruence' in the ICD 11:

'Gender incongruence
^Foundation URI: http://id.who.int/icd/entity/411470068^
Description
Gender incongruence is characterised by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual’s experienced gender and the assigned sex. Gender variant behaviour and preferences alone are not a basis for assigning the diagnoses in this group.
Exclusions
Paraphilic disorders(6D30-6D3Z)'

icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#411470068

for female victims of rape, the perpetrator was most likely to be an intimate partner (46%)

Sexual offences victim characteristics, England and Wales - Office for National Statistics

Absolutely. I'm gonna say that, though in principle no man should ever be in a female single-sex space, I'd be less worried by a man with a dodgy bladder who rushes to the nearest loo and picks the wrong one, than by a man whose toilet visits are part of a "female" performance.

Perhaps I've been jaundiced on this by meeting transwomen whose first question on arriving at a venue is to ask (in an unmistakably male voice) where the ladies is.

I think for me it would depend on the age of the person and the vulnerability. If it was somebody very young and obviously trying to pass then I would ignore it probably. I would feel they were safer in the women's toilets than in the men's. If there was a disabled toilet available then I would expect them to go in there though. If it was a big hairy bloke in his middle age then I wouldn't go in at all until he had left. I think for me it would depend on whether I thought he was there for sexual reasons.

You guess wrong, mine were short and couldn’t reach the sink at that age.

I always think it’s useful to take a look at people’s user names and consider why they might have chosen them

Ok so you are a man?

So 54% - the majority - are not intimate partners.

And that justifies males in female spaces..... how?

For anyone who doesn't know about paraphilias:

https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#2110604642

'Paraphilic Disorders are characterized by persistent and intense patterns of atypical sexual arousal, manifested by sexual thoughts, fantasies, urges, or behaviours, in which the focus of the arousal pattern involves others whose age or status renders them unwilling or unable to consent (e.g., pre-pubertal children, an unsuspecting individual being viewed through a window, an animal). Paraphilic Disorders may also involve other atypical sexual arousal patterns if they cause marked distress to the individual or involve significant risk of injury or death.
Paraphilic Disorders include the following:
6D30 Exhibitionistic Disorder
6D31 Voyeuristic Disorder
6D32 Pedophilic Disorder
6D33 Coercive Sexual Sadism Disorder
6D34 Frotteuristic Disorder
6D35 Other Paraphilic Disorder Involving Non-Consenting Individuals'

'Boundary with Gender Incongruence of Adolescence or Adulthood: Individuals who have a focused and intense pattern of sexual arousal involving cross-dressing might qualify for the diagnosis of Paraphilic Disorder Involving Solitary Behaviour or Consenting Individuals if they are markedly distressed by having this pattern of arousal. A history of sexual excitement in association with cross-dressing can sometimes be a feature of Gender Incongruence that develops in adolescence or adulthood, but such a history is not a sufficient basis for diagnosing Paraphilic Disorder Involving Solitary Behaviour or Consenting Individuals.'

So the man I met in the Ladies was likely affected by one or more of these disorders.

As parents we all have to, at some point, trust to let our children go and be more independent and sometimes, due to practical matters, may send children alone into toilet facilities. Single sex toilets remove ( certainly for girls) one possible risk factor. This goes for the toilets at school too. And at the swimming pool.

We all know that men/male people are more prone to sexual violence, transgression or fetish than women/ female people - which is why mothers can take their sons ( up until the age of 8) into the women's facilities if necessary.

After after the age of 8/9 schools must provide single sex toilets for their pupils. Parents cannot be there on every occasion for a variety of reason.

If you ever become a rape survivor you might understand why we sometimes use capitals?
We are shouting it out, we are survivors and we have the right to shout it out!

We're not asking others to demonize men or live your life in fear.
I've been happily married for 33 years.

We're asking you to be fucking sensible and concerned about men being in the ladies with women and girls, when we have absolutely no idea whether he's a rapist or not.

Therefore, the SAFEST thing for women and girls is to keep all men out.

Duh.....You just don't get it do you?

And what’s the ratio of trans women to cis men in the country?

About 0.5% people identify as trans in the census. So assuming this is equal male/female split, 0.5% of male people are trans and 99.5% are not.

0.5/99.5 as a fraction of 12,000 is about 60 people, so that’s how many trans identified males we would expect to imprisoned for sex offences if they posed the same risk as “cis” men.

Not 150. That suggests 2.5 times the prevalence of sexual offences in the trans identified males population compared with non-trans males.

And if you had a look at the sort of porn-addled conversations the fetishistic end of the trans-identified-males spectrum have with each other on Reddit, you wouldn’t be at all surprised at these figures.

99% of sexual assault and rape is committed by males. This has nothing to do with their 'gender identity', how said males dress, or how long their hair is.

Fair enough

the vast majority of 6 year olds are well able to use the loo unaided

so if you saw a fella in a frock following an unaccompanied 6 year old girl into the ladies loo what would you do?

The quote chain will just exemplify that the risk from a trans woman in a woman's toilet is 53% LESS likely than from a cis het woman's own partner. And yet the hysteria is around toilets rather than heterosexual relationships. Straw man.

I already answered that.

But why would a male not be safe in male facilities? Are you saying male people are dangerous? If do, how is allowing males into female spaces helping women to be safe? Young boys, gay men, men with disabilities and elderly men may also be vulnerable in male spaces. Are you happy for them to use female facilities too? If not, why not?

I've been sexually assaulted by a 'transwoman' in the ladies. That 'straw man' was masturbating.

Want to accuse me of 'hysteria' again?