What would you actually do if you saw a transperson in the wrong toilet/changing room for their sex?

[FattyMcFattyArse]

I've been pondering this ever since the FWS decision and since I saw an obviously male transperson using the ladies at a service station. I initially froze and wanted to say something, but all my Britishness and female social conditioning made me just mutter under my breath and walk away in disgust.

What would you do?

What have you done?

What is the right thing to do?

They don't belong there, according to the law.

A) It is our business when males invade female only spaces.
B) When males stop RAPING women with 'what is between their legs' and stop exposing 'what is between their legs' to children and women and flashing us, maybe, just maybe then we will "mind our own business". Until then, keeping males and male predators out of spaces they shouldn't be, is everyone's business.

This is not about 'trans' rights. This is about MALE vs FEMALE, and the rights that the feminists who went before us achieved so that females have safety, privacy and dignity away from the male gaze and presence.

So that includes all the males who take selfies in female public toilets with (non-consensual) women in the background then.

Oops. You really didn't think that through did you. Any male entering a female only space is by definition, a sex offender, btw.

Right. I didn't realise it was satire in this case, it's getting so hard to tell. Sorry

Passports mean nothing if legal documents can be made a legal fiction. Apart from that, we have EYEBALLS IN OUR HEAD. You might not know a man from a woman by sight, but 99.9999% of the public do.

There is no obsession with 'trans' people. The obsession is with keeping MALES out of female spaces. Males and their unhealthy predatorial obsession with violating the spaces of the vulnerable female sex harms all women and girls.

It's a thing called.... eyeballs, @Coolwaterscoolcool . And it's male gait, skeletal structure - male jaw, lack of hips etc, as well as limb length, hand size, philtrum width, etc etc etc. It's not about "short hair" or being "tall".

But females who don't know him and see a male stranger there don't deserve dignity and respect, do they, @Numbersaremything ? Stuff rape survivors like me, right? As long as your cousin gets his 'validation' as a woman with us females around him as props for that validation, rape and trauma survivors can just deal with it.

Right? No one else matters but him and his feels, right?

Right?

Rape survivors like me apparently don't deserve "dignity and respect" in a space specifically DESIGNED for vulnerable females.

I guess @Christinapple has seen the TRA cartoons of TERFS "peeping" under the loos and taking photos of their genitals whilst complaining they are invading our privacy. Evidently noone is doing that.

My serious answer is it would depend on the situation, how many were around on and so on. Changing rooms would be more concerning.

Most recently was public toilets. I walked out to wash my hands and instinctively felt frightened before realising why.

I looked to my right and saw a transwoman, someone visibly male but had gone to a lot of effort to present female. She looked anxious and was doing her best to be inconspicuous, having clearly picked the far loo, head down etc.

I felt sympathy for her. Foolishly I previously thought I didn't care about transwomen in loos because of that(although I have always opposed in other spaces). But actually I now respect my instinct. I shouldn't be frightened going to the loo. Our feelings are valid.

Transwomen don't have the right to be there as they are biologically male, even post surgery. Women will react in different ways based on their history, and some will find it more difficult. There are also safeguarding risks.

Sorry long answer. But it's not an easy one.

women just know.
We can see
we can smell the testosterone.

Classic animalistic protection behaviour

It's an offence for a male to enter a female space, the ladies toilets, where women and little girls are - an intimate space designed to give the vulnerable female sex safety, privacy and dignity.

That this even needs explaining begs belief!

🙏

quite right
Numbers cousin and all biological males are not permitted in women’s single sex spaces. Would it be so hard for all women to think of others of their own sex
before
they decide they aren’t bothered

We need to stand together and protect our spaces for all women and girls
If it’s safe there’s nothing wrong with asking men to leave
If it’s not make a complaint to the building owner

Respect our rights or lose them forever

Are you saying a male in the ladies is not threatening to women and girls or harmful?

Actually, no, the SC ruling shows he is not permitted to be in a space that is specifically marked as a female space. If it was unisex or unmarked, yeah, he'd be permitted. But if it is actually labelled as a female (or woman) toilet, your company is BREAKING THE LAW. And you should be bringing this to their attention.

To a RAPE SURVIVOR LIKE ME, yes it IS harmful, you're quite ignorant on the affect on a woman or little girl seeing a MALE in the ladies! Oh to be so privileged to have not experienced trauma and need a female only space where women and girl are vulnerable and in a state of semi dress or having a miscarriage or escaping to the ladies to escape a male. You really have absolutely no idea do you. That's the sad thing about heartless and lacking in empathy and compassion comments like yours.

I suppose you would argue a male in a raincoat flashing women and children is not 'harmful' either?

Genuine question; why do you suppose female only spaces exist? Have you ever actually thought about it?

Yes, I have horrible thoughts at times about wishing these women who 'don't care' about other traumatised and vulnerable women would be 'hurt' themselves and maybe then they'd finally get it. Horrible I know and I'd never genuinely wish or want that. But it seems so unfair that these women breeze through life with the empathy and compassion of a lamp post and will give away the hard won rights and spaces that women like me desperately need, it's evil and inhuman.

And yes, they have not learned from the priests. If you create a group of males as a sacred caste, abuse will happen. They've swapped priests for men in dresses. It's 2025 and they still never learn.

I wouldn't care. I'd take that risk. These males are breaking the law and public shaming really needs to be brought back. If they're all publicly shamed (and perhaps sprayed in the eyes as a form of self defence) then they would stop entering our spaces.

If you read my subsequent post you will see why I am unable to do this.

Other women may also be staying silent but ultimately your employer has a responsibility to abide by the Equalities Act 2010 and BRegulations 1992.

Its not on you to remind them
but if i felt as you do and to protect all current and future women I’d write an anonymous letter.

Or report them to the Equalities commission.

How would I instinctively react?

I would instinctively recoil and retreat. This isn't what I would consciously choose to do, it's what my survival instincts would make me do.

What would I consciously choose to do? That would depends on how much of a hurry I'm in and how bolshie I'm feeling on the day.

I wish the people who keep advocating for men to use women's spaces would remember three things:

1. We don't need to see their genitals to know they are men. 99% of them do not pass. That's where my instinctive recoil comes from. My instincts recognise them as men instantly.
2. Treating women with dignity and respect means not violating their single sex spaces. We do not have to surrender these spaces simply to make some man feel better about himself. The number of years he has spent pretending to be a women are irrelevant here.
3. Taking "nonconsensual" photos of someone committing a crime or misdemeanour does not constitute a sexual offense.

Its more than that. Where's the aggression coming from? A male in a womens spaces is not supposed to be there and knows hes not supposed to be there. But this poster is angry at OP for even asking the question. Raging.

NRTFT but Id leave and report a male in a women's space, OP. Any male, whatever his gender identity.

I’d report but wouldn’t confront him personally as that is what he probably wants. A man who happily ignores the law is just after goading women and enjoying making them feel vulnerable.

Fucked if I’m ignoring that shit and waiting politely to go to the toilet.

https://x.com/katebmwriting/status/1959674352431153294?s=46

I think that this comedian sums it up very well. It is all about the transgression into provision they know they shouldn’t be accessing.

As with most things, it depends on the context.

If I noticed a trans woman going in to a toilet cubicle and minding their own business, I wouldn’t react or give it another thought really.

If I was with my young DD and it was a man in drag obviously getting his rocks off by being in the ladies I would probably leave and say something to the proprietor.

I don’t like these sorts of questions really because there is so much nuance in a real situation. I think most women are sympathetic to genuine trans folk who just want to live their lives in peace and quiet, and I also think most women don’t want to be exposed to willy-waving or inappropriate behaviour by men exploiting others’ tolerance. And we know there are plenty of people doing both.

My privacy is maintained in a toilet by the locking door. I'm fine with that.

You can take issue with that same situation for yourself but don't get to dictate to me how I should feel about it. I'm fine with it.