Transwoman accused of sexual assault after concealing male genitalia on date

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Could be interesting. Consent is surely only consent if you know what you're consenting to...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15019143/Trans-woman-sexually-assaulted-man-concealing-male-genitalia.html

Well in this case, the victim did not consent to any sexual contact with a man. And the convicted offender is a man.

And you know that so don't pretend you don't.

WTF?

Women have been raped in sex by deception cases, when the perpetrator has used an implement.

I can't engage with this shit anymore, it's too much.

What would the biological woman possibly think was going on other than a penis

Presumably if she did not realise the person was a transwoman - like the young man in this case - she would not be expecting a penis.

This is a thread discussing rape, sexual assault, and abuse.

It's not appropriate to make stupid jokes.

To be fair, I've also seen it on an Emma Bridgewater mug. I think the slogan is quite widespread nowadays.

Are you saying it’s ok for someone to coerce someone into non consensual sex? You’re condoning rape? Why are you wishing someone who coerced someone into non consensual sex the best?

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No to all the above.
They are both young and confused and we are all looking at it from the way we were brought up and the schooling we had about sex education, now its quite the different world, it would appear she got the message but he might not have. Not that it's his fault and she should have been more understanding about his feelings also, I am not condoning anything, but neither do I have a magic wand to undo what happend.

It is a slogan used by those who wish to have sex with children made legal and to remove the stigma from paedophilia.

Anyone who uses it has lost all sense.

There's certainly no love involved in duping someone into sex.

What is the message?

Victim blaming crap. I’ve never read such unethical nonsense in my life. If only the victim realised their attacker was really nice chap beneath it all. He really loved his gran.

I am going to assume you are either dangerously stupid or just larking about. Either way there’s no point talking to you.

Yes, I would. Also stealthing, sex by deception etc. But, yes, rape.

Quite.

I can't engage with this shit anymore, it's too much.

Agree, Arabella engaging with those who victim blame and make comments that sail far too close to those made by rape and sexual assault apologists not to mention the use of a well known mantra used by PIE is not my idea of a good way to spend a Friday night.

Well the message is to get to know the person you might be falling in love with and to find out who they are BEFORE you have sex with them.

Regardless of it being a trans thing, that is what used to happen in the "good old days".

It sounds like the problem some of you are having isn't with me at all, but the new way of learning the youth are being introduced to. That's my observation here. And in no way have I ever mentioned the perversion of sex with minors, I'm talking to the people who mentioned it above, not to the person I am quoting.

So what does "she got the message but he might not have" mean? He didn't think to say "by the way, do you have a penis?"

I read it as the offender, I refuse to use she, learned that you should accept everyone and have no boundaries, and the victim is not as lovely and broadminded.

Which is victim blaming and frankly outrageous.

She knew about him, but He wasn't given the chance to find out.

The period lie is was wrong. Had he waited she would have had no excuse but to tell him the truth. They should have explored each others minds before sex.

There is no she in this situation.

This has to be a wind-up.

I'm afraid it has happened, where someone has used a strap on instead of a penis or vice versa. Evidently they often also do have to set the scene up so their penis v strap-om on isn't visible.

People have sex in the dark under covers. Everyone has the right to set their limits, perhaps lying like this offender they don't want to be touched "down under" because of a period.

Some transwomen, biological men who claim a female gender identity, claim lesbians should accept their penises, and that fundamentally they are not different enough to matter.

It's rape. It's not consensual. Like many on here I'm upset you see this as acceptable - I used the example expecting to show you a parallel to this court case, not that you would be okay with it.

It's not that I am saying its acceptable, I cant even imagine it ever happening WITHOUT consent in the first instance.

Don’t be daft - casual sex and other sex acts have always been a thing!

We get to choose the sex acts and with whom ever we want, as soon as there is deception there isn’t consent.

In the hypothetical above I’m assuming the woman thought she was going to be penetrated by a sex toy (like a strap on) but instead it was a real penis. That is rape as there wasn’t consent. Very similar to stealthing, consent to sex with penis in a condom is not the same as consent to a penis.

One male person who identified as a woman deliberately deceived another male person into taking part in a sexual act.

Given the massive (and quite rightly so) emphasis in schools in the last few years on understanding how consent works for both parties, I would think both parties should now understand how this works.

The victim did not give informed consent to being sexually involved with another male.

Okay...transwomen and biological women go to bedroom. Biological women fancies penetrative sex. Transwomen happy to do so, asks her not to touch her down there as on period and would prefer to be in dark. Biological woman thinks transwomen is using a strap on. Not consent.

I won't quote @TheseWordsAreMine's post because it just clogs up the page but fuck me backwards, I've never read so much shite in my life.

If nothing else, "love is love is the theme of the future" is straight out of a PIE manifesto. There's so many red flags there it's like a communist rally, only less ethical.

But hey, it's the "future" way for the "youth" so it must be cool, yeah? Which is exactly how we ended up with PIE - the Paedophile Information Exchange - campaigning for the abolition of the age of consent and the rights of nonces. But hey, modern times eh? Get with the programme, Grandma.

It’s amazing that there are 300 posts on this thread on FWR.

• Consent involves making an informed decision.
• sexual orientation is fundamental to sex
• hiding your sex means you are negating the validity of consent given
• people can choose to have casual sex, sex after a period of dating or sex after marriage. This is not relevant to the issue of consent.

It’s depressing that anyone visiting FWR would disagree with any of the points above.