Transwoman accused of sexual assault after concealing male genitalia on date

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Could be interesting. Consent is surely only consent if you know what you're consenting to...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15019143/Trans-woman-sexually-assaulted-man-concealing-male-genitalia.html

Very glad this sex offender has been found guilty. Worrying that the judge says the prison service needs to think carefully where they place this male offender. Hopefully in a male prison.

To be fair, it's their job to try and pull apart the victim's testimony/prosecution's case and I doubt they had much else to work with.

Which is what they also have to do with rape victims 😧

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Transgender Reddit are up in arms about how unfair this is on trans people in that they either have to disclose their transness (which is an assault on their human rights) or risk being put on the sex offender register.

The absolute low is a poster who claims "Watkin moved the man's hand away when he went to touch her breast and thigh and told him she was on her period to stop him feeling below her waist, the court heard" means Watkin was sexually assaulted and is therefore the true victim here. The DARVO is real

Yes, and it's why I think some things should be off-limits for defence teams, e.g. insinuations that a victim "asked for it" because she was wearing a short skirt or was out alone late at night.

The victim may well have known (and it is pretty difficult not to know), if it is victim blaming so be it, I judge every case on its own merits, questioning the victim here does not mean we have to question girls who have been duped by much more convincing FtMs.

It was the text messages that incriminated Watkin, and from that evidence it's an open and shut case. There should've been explicit statement of trans status, all we have is written evidence of the announcement after sexual activity.

The moral of the story is to be open about it and not to think that announcing it afterwards is a laugh.

This reminds me of another case- the one where a transgirl was filmed giving someone a blowjob, and he didn’t realise?

I still feel very sad for the 13yr old boy who got lashes and lips and thought he could be a woman.
Clearly a drug user.
Makes an exceptionally ‘ugly’ transwoman.

Clearly also assault though.
And his victim who may also have been under the influence, has to live with it while seeing these photos and wondering how the hell it happened.

I’m trying to remember the case where they filmed- wasn’t there something about roller skating and a really serious assault?

Maybe it didn’t involve a transwoman.

'Imo, if you havent disclosed that you're trans when you have sexual relations with someone, you are taking a massive risk. You could end up in jail, on the sex offenders register, assaulted or killed. It is not worth that risk. '

From Reddit. Note the absolutely screaming absence of a single thought for the victim of sexual assault's feelings, desires, or concerns. Or the morality of trying to deceive someone.

It's a crime to deceive a sexual partner about your sex. It's illegal under the Sexual Offences Act. It's wrong.

Some people don't want to fund them by giving them traffic, which is fair enough.

I stumbled across a cool app recently where you could search up a news story and it would show you comparisons of how the left, right and center-leaning media reported on it. Which bits of the story they highlighted, what language they used to describe the subject, what they omitted.

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1mx62k0/transgender_woman_guilty_of_sex_assaults_on_man/

Clown land is not at all on the side of the victim and some consider it fine to lie.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/north-east/news/transgender-woman-convicted-sexual-assaults

'Sarah Nelson, Senior Crown Prosecutor at CPS North East, said: “It is clear from the evidence in this case that, prior to engaging in sexual activity with the victim, Watkin had made no attempt to inform him of her transgender status.
“The Crown Prosecution Service has shown that, by failing to disclose this to him, it would not have been possible for him to give informed consent to sexual activity.'

That's from the CPS. 'Stealthing' is sexual assault.

No, it isn't victim blaming: It is clear from his subsequent actions of reporting the crime and putting himself through a court case, that the victim did not know the truth. But to me, as a female, it was pretty obvious from the photos that the defendant was male. That said, I am surprised that the defence team went as far as to point out that fact as it would not have been a nice thing for their client to hear. I am glad that the police and the cps took the matter seriously, and that the jury found the defendant guilty.

Yes, I got worried when I read this, but after the SC ruling I can't see how they could put him in a women's prison.

Are there any trans wings/facilities? I'm guessing not in every jail, but there should be something, even if he has to be incarcerated far from home, shouldn't there?

What I don't want to happen is for him to avoid a custodial sentence because of squeamishness about accommodating his preferences.

Breathtaking distortion of reality right there. But then, no surprise, right!

I do think there might be something in the idea of the defence lawyers saying not to shave and wear leggings to make your dick obvious. It’s clear that the person who turned up in court was male but who knows how they looked on a night out with loads of make up and fillers.

Unfortunately that is the inevitable outcome of TWAW.

We should have had a bet on how many posts before comparing it to not knowing you were having sex with a Jewish person.

Spoiler: it wasn't many. Disgusting.

I remember this. I think the transgirl was beaten up later when he found out iirc.

Tell me you’ve never been to Thornaby without telling me 🤣

This is the ‘beauty’ standard there

Yes, I remember an awful case where a man walked in on his child being abused by another male and killed him in the heat of the moment. He was found not guilty, and I can't say I have an issue with that!

Basically, this.

I do not condone violence or vigilante justice, but sorry... sensible would-be criminals need to consider that vigilantes exist, and when (usually) men kill paedophiles or punch the person trying to mug them then my sympathy for the "victim" is zero.

It’s interesting that the defence barrister went with the argument “the victim must have known this was a man and just felt embarrassed” rather than “this isn’t assault because trans women are women”. I think it’s quite likely that a couple of years ago, that’s the line they’d have chosen. Perhaps the Supreme Court judgement had an impact, even if it’s not strictly relevant here,

I think that the responsibility for this lies with multiple organisations who tell men that they can be women, call themselves women, date men as if they are women. This is what happens. The victim is seriously affected after being abused by someone who doesn’t know that this is wrong. even if the perpetrator does understand that it may be wrong, I wonder if he really understood the serious consequences that he now faces.

"The lie she told was to stop him touching her without consent."

Real galaxy brain stuff from the Redditors.

A galaxy that's been left on a radiator?

How long ago did this happen? A few years can make a massive difference to someone’s look, especially late teens some can still look very fresh faced, which would make the deception easier.