Misinformation correction: M&S Staff

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M&S have responded to people's enquiries, here's one:

https://bsky.app/profile/dpdormouse.bsky.social/post/3lvuzitrplc2f

As expected the staff member was just doing their job, something that happens thousands of times a day in shops all over the country.

As per normal, the trans panic was manufactured.

I fully expect all the GCs and media pundits who were pushing all sorts of hate to apologise, but as a person on their second LGBTQ moral panic I know very well how it goes.

Indeed golfbuggy.

Maybe the person trying to make it a creditable point has never had to deal with female puberty before. Or has forgotten. Or is completely out of touch with what is available as starter underwear.

I’m just gobsmacked by the delusions of the TRA’s on this thread, so out of touch with the way most people see things, it’s just astonishing.

And to claim it is statistically unlikely that a girl would be buying her first proper bra at 14 is a joke.

Someone a while ago said something about how female first user names weren't that common here. Women tend to want to hide their identity.

However there's a pattern for those who do come to FWR and use a female user name.

I don't know if it's true but it does make me curious.

Agree.

There is a group of us who learned that we were better off in business to not bring attention to our being female.

Having been a girl, and attended school with girls, and later worked with schoolgirls, and observing the younger generation of girls growing up, 14 seems very much the average age of needing to get a bra fitted (as opposed to wearing something stretchy on ones chest).

I'd be interested to know where the statistic that suggested otherwise came from, and how many girls were included in the study.

In fact, those numbers seem potentially iffy, since neither first menstruation nor the need for a full bra are things any independent agency collects data on.

Maybe the 14 year old was looking for her first ‘proper’ bra rather than a ‘training’ bra worn by a less developed girl? but whatever choice she was making had sod all to do with him because he’s male.

I don’t care how helpful he thought he was being, he should know better. He didn’t consider how his actions/words might affect a young female because he just doesn’t care.
Some men have been accused of sexual harassment just by mentioning a woman’s breasts.

…A transgender or non-binary person being the victim of sexual assault, not to mention facing discrimination for simply trying to live their lives in peace….

Are you absolutely sure about that?
Women take the unfortunate 1st place as victims of sexual assault and abuse.
Most TransW, short or tall, have no interest in living their lives ‘in peace’ as evidenced every single time women (the female variety) want to get together without including men claiming they’re women.

Perhaps Natalie is suggesting that the girl in question is very small for her age. Also that she may have looked younger than fourteen - even as young as 11.

Basically, in the rush to demonstrate their female puberty knowledge, didnt make the male assistant look any better.

A girl's first ever bra-purchase at the age of 14 years is statistically unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely.

What a strange remark. Whatever makes you think that?

But perhaps you don’t know much about teenage girls.

It's pretty obvious that Natalie is a bloke who doesn't know much about female anatomy. Any woman would have volunteered the age at which she first got fitted for a bra to bolster her argument.

Incidentally AFAIK it's not actually a crime to discriminate against transexuals. Employers & service providers can be sued in civil court or employment tribunal if the transexual thinks they have a case but nobody can be prosecuted. Individuals can discriminate all they like. For example if a female shopper doesn't want to be served by a male transexual she is perfectly entitled to ask for a female instead.

Transphobia, (i.e. discrimination against a protected characteristic), is a crime.
You would have to prove that the mother would have been perfectly happy to have her daughter approached by a male assistant who wasn't trans-identified.

DD is 16 and sfill doesn’t wear a proper bra. She’s very slim and small chested.

It's still not a crime. Individuals can discriminate all they like against transexuals provided that they don't commit actual crimes like assault or harassment.

Funny there are always tells isn't there.

It does not benefit transindividuals who have the right to exist and work in public spaces.

No one has the right to work anywhere they want to.

He was allocated to work in another department, do you really think it was within his rights to go into the underware section and talk to children?

My DD is 16 and the same.

It does not benefit transindividuals who have the right to exist and work in public spaces.

Not everything in life has to benefit men.

Women and girls have their own individual needs too.

apparently Bravissimo publish the exception under the EA they use for their job ads for female only staff.

This would be available to M&S if they chose to centre safeguarding and female customer’s needs to hire staff just for the lingerie department, specifically for bra fittings.

Female people can be centred without this being framed in anyway as transphobia.

I had my first ever bra fitting at age 31 (pregnant and suddenly was no longer completely flat chested).

Well I'm not going to report you.

It's amusing to see the tall women trope in certain circles doing the rounds ATM, so I'm sure you'll be reporting back to them.

I'm here for the comedy.

The bigots, transphobes, and pearl-cluchers are out in force, I see.

Fear not; MNHQ will be along shortly to ban the horrid account that doesn't agree with your shrieking and dares to suggest that maybe, just maybe, the circus of moral outrage over this incident isn't quite as founded as your echo chamber is telling you...

And that is all you have to contribute to defend your post that points to your lack of ability to identify safeguarding failures? And any knowledge about the needs of teenaged girls?

Well done.

‘Shrieking’.

Are women ‘hysterical’ too Natalie?

Im quite happy for Operation Let Them Speak to carry on.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

This isn’t Reddit, mate

Ugh look at this repulsive misogyny plain for all to see.

Women, you should all STFU and let the menz talk to the 14 year old girls about their bras in peace. Amirite?