Misinformation correction: M&S Staff

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M&S have responded to people's enquiries, here's one:

https://bsky.app/profile/dpdormouse.bsky.social/post/3lvuzitrplc2f

As expected the staff member was just doing their job, something that happens thousands of times a day in shops all over the country.

As per normal, the trans panic was manufactured.

I fully expect all the GCs and media pundits who were pushing all sorts of hate to apologise, but as a person on their second LGBTQ moral panic I know very well how it goes.

You can Bookmark where you are in a thread and then Watch it too. Invaluable.
@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime thanks for the explanation. I don’t think it was a LIE!

More of the correspondence the mum sent to Marks on X. Feels like m and s told her it would be disrespectful or make the employee feel unsafe if they were to ask him not to approach children looking at underwear? But don’t know if I’ve guessed incorrectly.

Do calm down, dear.

It’s just a ‘dot’ on a page, after all! 😉

What a successful derail!

Very frustrating.

Even if this thread fills up, there's nothing to prevent a third one if the subject continues to develop.

Yep

People can keep posting.

And others can ask the simple question

When is it ok for a man to ask a 14 year old who he never met before about her undewear.

CarpeVitam · Today 11:20

ThatBlackCat · Today 02:02
It takes up a post on the thread and disrupts the flow.
Why do it? 🤷‍♀️ It's bad netiquette and against Mumsnet rules, it pisses posters off.
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ThatBlackCat · Today 02:02
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Do calm down, dear.
It’s just a ‘dot’ on a page, after all! 😉

I'm completely calm. You're the one who had reply twice to the one post. And over 2 hours apart, to the same post. It's clear I got under your skin. Perhaps try growing up. "😉"

😂

Hohoho

And now I'm getting adverts for M&S popping up on my social media.

And I see two days ago the Manchester Evening News ran an article about an M&S store (they get revenue for advertising). Two days ago.

Fascinating.

I’m getting loads of M&S bra ads on FB. Very tempted to ask about fittings policy and staff protocols for approaching customers

Sounds as if you should look at what cookies and tracking permissions you have allowed on your systems and what premissions you allow webpages...

As a rule i try to always refuse cookies.

And that STILL doesn't explain the timing of the MEN article.

Skynet or her sisters are peeking 👁👁

And yet, no male member of staff should be approaching a teenaged girl in a bra department.

And if M&S policy doesn’t explicitly say this, it should. It is a safeguarding fail by M&S.

A lot of this quoted post is sparple and ignores the safeguarding issue. As has been discussed over and over on these threads already.

Oh we are back to Bingo.

Trans women are just tall women.

Na.

No they aren't. They are male. For the purposes of discrimination.

Try harder.

If you, personally, cannot recognise the safeguarding issue, perhaps consider that your own personal boundaries with regard to safeguarding are too low.

Have you read the thread, Natalie? You seem to be dismissing all of the safeguarding concerns raised.

For a male member of staff to approach a young girl, unprompted, while she is shopping for bras in the lingerie department, to ask if she needs 'help' is not part of anyone's job.

You know this as well as anyone. What are you trying to achieve with this faux naivety?

Also girls first bra purchase 14 is 'unlikely'.

Yeah ok.

I was definitely 14 and a lot of my peers were. Up until then it was cami tops and stretch bras. Not one measured.

I wonder what percentage of men know what age their partner first got fitted for a bra. Given how so many men don't know much about female anatomy I'm guessing this possibly isn't something they know much about.

I like the way Natalie assumed that the man calculated in his head that this cant have been her first bra, so decided it was ok to leave the job he was allocated to do i a different department, and speak to her.

Guffaw! Being a tall woman confers huge advantage via unconscious bias and it’s ridiculous to try to claim otherwise 🤣

No one’s claiming the shop assistant did anything illegal. But by approaching a lone 14 year old they inadvertently triggered people to see them as male in that situation where otherwise no one would be bothered by a trans staffer. If you don’t understand that you need to educate yourself.

And I was 14 before I got a bra.

It does seem a stretch to assume that it is ‘unlikely’? Not only do some girls not need bras before 14. They could have been using crop top style bras still and this might well be a very first bra that requires fitting or extensive trying on to find that starting size.

Using this as a gotcha is not going to work except to highlight how out of touch that gotcha is.

A girl's first ever bra-purchase at the age of 14 years is statistically unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely.

<Goes off to tell DD that she has lots of statistically unlikely friends. >

It really isn't. Lots of girls don't start puberty until 13/14. Many others wear alternative underwear until the point that they are developed enough to need a "proper" bra.