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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Let Women Speak in Glasgow this weekend 9th August 2 - 4pm

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IKnowWhatAWomanIs · 07/08/2025 11:06

LET WOMEN SPEAK GLASGOW

Posting this to let women in and around Glasgow know.

9th August 2pm - 4pm outside the Kelvingrove Museum G3 8AG

Let Women Speak Glasgow! A weekend of terfy events organised by our fabulous Locals.

Starting the weekend with 8pm Friday Night Dinner, a small dinner with Kellie-Jay and the team.

LWS Glasgow, free event 2 - 4pm on Saturday

Saturday Night dinner, drinks and dancing.

Sunday brunch with TERFtalk live.

More info & to buy tickets for Friday Night Dinner / Saturday After Party / Terf Talk Live

https://www.letwomenspeak.org/event-details/let-women-speak-glasgow

Let Women Speak Glasgow | Let Women Speak

#LetWomenSpeakGlasgow

https://www.letwomenspeak.org/event-details/let-women-speak-glasgow

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Waitwhat23 · 10/08/2025 13:44

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 12:51

Glasgow pubs are generally very friendly and safe. In my quite extensive experience. 😊

That said, I've been in pubs while chairs sailed overhead and the karaoke just kept going ...

Ah, the stories I could tell. Fire extinguishers being set off in staff's faces, men standing pissing against the bar and stiletto heels being driven through other people's feet are some of the milder ones.

Not in Glasgow, tbf.

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 14:57

So you still cannot answer "Then your excuse for fighting to destroy the most basic human rights of the female sex is.... ?" @suggestionsplease1 ?

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 15:16

Why would there be a need for legal action. The police were called. I presume they managed to sort out whatever criminal action KJK thinks warranted them spending time on her rather than fighting actual crime?

Waitwhat23 · 10/08/2025 15:53

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 15:16

Why would there be a need for legal action. The police were called. I presume they managed to sort out whatever criminal action KJK thinks warranted them spending time on her rather than fighting actual crime?

Out of interest, had it been people who had a different shared protected characteristic such as disability or gender identity who had been refused service because of that protected characteristic, would you still have such concern as to the Police's time being 'wasted'?

BezMills · 10/08/2025 15:57

Looking forward to watching this one on the youtubes

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 16:04

Waitwhat23 · 10/08/2025 15:53

Out of interest, had it been people who had a different shared protected characteristic such as disability or gender identity who had been refused service because of that protected characteristic, would you still have such concern as to the Police's time being 'wasted'?

Yes. Because even if there is a breach of the law, there is no argument here that there is a breach of criminal law.

What role do you think police could play in respect of this?

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 16:46

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 16:04

Yes. Because even if there is a breach of the law, there is no argument here that there is a breach of criminal law.

What role do you think police could play in respect of this?

Why is it ok for police to arrest a disabled woman in a wheelchair who was putting up anti Domestic Violence stickers (that Gender Ideologists thought was anti-trans - kind of tells on them doesn't it, that they think anti-DV means anti-trans, things that make you go hmmm), or women for posting pro-womens sex-based rights tweets?

Police won't come out to DV incidents, won't respond to break and enters, but you have no problem with police arresting feminists?

At least be consistent!

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 17:05

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 16:46

Why is it ok for police to arrest a disabled woman in a wheelchair who was putting up anti Domestic Violence stickers (that Gender Ideologists thought was anti-trans - kind of tells on them doesn't it, that they think anti-DV means anti-trans, things that make you go hmmm), or women for posting pro-womens sex-based rights tweets?

Police won't come out to DV incidents, won't respond to break and enters, but you have no problem with police arresting feminists?

At least be consistent!

I don’t even know what incident you’re referring to.

But your last sentence hits the nail on the head. Police don’t have the resources to deal with actual crime but this crew thinks dragging them out to tell them that alleged discrimination under the Equality Act isn’t a criminal matter is good use of their time.

I even heard one self-obsessed attendee demanding that KJK call 999.

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 17:09

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 17:05

I don’t even know what incident you’re referring to.

But your last sentence hits the nail on the head. Police don’t have the resources to deal with actual crime but this crew thinks dragging them out to tell them that alleged discrimination under the Equality Act isn’t a criminal matter is good use of their time.

I even heard one self-obsessed attendee demanding that KJK call 999.

How convenient.... the incidents have only been public knowledge here and elsewhere for years.

If it's 'self-obsessed' for women to want the law to protect them, then it's self-obsessed for anti-women/pro-trans activists to want women in wheelchairs arrested for posting anti-DV stickers and for tweeting womens rights tweets.

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 17:13

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 17:09

How convenient.... the incidents have only been public knowledge here and elsewhere for years.

If it's 'self-obsessed' for women to want the law to protect them, then it's self-obsessed for anti-women/pro-trans activists to want women in wheelchairs arrested for posting anti-DV stickers and for tweeting womens rights tweets.

Sorry you think it is reasonable for someone to think they should call 999 because they’ve been asked to leave a venue?

Police don’t enforce civil law. Anyone there is free to sue the venue if they wishes but it takes a special sort of delusion to think that that situation warrants using the same number as people having strokes and heart attacks, or reporting active and dangerous crime situations.

All in I’m not sure releasing the video helps the transphobes much. It makes for a little sad spectacle of about 30 people in a function room that could probably hold 100+, all stood in front of a sign declaring that they are all Sandra Peggie (are they all racist as well?). Then ‘let’s call 999 because we’ve been asked to leave’.

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 17:30

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 17:13

Sorry you think it is reasonable for someone to think they should call 999 because they’ve been asked to leave a venue?

Police don’t enforce civil law. Anyone there is free to sue the venue if they wishes but it takes a special sort of delusion to think that that situation warrants using the same number as people having strokes and heart attacks, or reporting active and dangerous crime situations.

All in I’m not sure releasing the video helps the transphobes much. It makes for a little sad spectacle of about 30 people in a function room that could probably hold 100+, all stood in front of a sign declaring that they are all Sandra Peggie (are they all racist as well?). Then ‘let’s call 999 because we’ve been asked to leave’.

Sorry you think it is reasonable for someone to think they should call 999 because a disabled woman in a wheelchair was posting anti-DV stickers?? It takes a special sort of delusion to think that that situation warrants using the same number as people having strokes and heart attacks, or reporting active and dangerous crime situations. Being anti-Domestic Violence apparently warrants a disabled woman in a wheelchair arrested, locked up and charged.

And where is the evidence these women are 'transphobes'? Or is that your and your fellow femphobic misogynist bigots go to, to insult women who won't do Mens Rights Activists bidding? Are you proud to be a femphobe?

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 18:04

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 17:30

Sorry you think it is reasonable for someone to think they should call 999 because a disabled woman in a wheelchair was posting anti-DV stickers?? It takes a special sort of delusion to think that that situation warrants using the same number as people having strokes and heart attacks, or reporting active and dangerous crime situations. Being anti-Domestic Violence apparently warrants a disabled woman in a wheelchair arrested, locked up and charged.

And where is the evidence these women are 'transphobes'? Or is that your and your fellow femphobic misogynist bigots go to, to insult women who won't do Mens Rights Activists bidding? Are you proud to be a femphobe?

Edited

Um no - it would absolutely not be reasonable to call 999 to report someone for stickering.

Now any chance you can explain what criminal law was broken here that should involve the police, or is there more whataboutery to come?

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 18:09

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 18:04

Um no - it would absolutely not be reasonable to call 999 to report someone for stickering.

Now any chance you can explain what criminal law was broken here that should involve the police, or is there more whataboutery to come?

Any chance you can answer this? Suggestions refuses to answer any questions put to them.

And where is the evidence these women are 'transphobes'? Or is that your and your fellow femphobic misogynist bigots go to, to insult women who won't do Mens Rights Activists bidding? Are you proud to be a femphobe?

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 10/08/2025 18:30

suggestionsplease1 · 09/08/2025 18:54

Maybe you also have a legal summary of libel legislation and whether Mumsnet is the named party or whether they are obliged to take steps to identity posters on Mumsnet to facilitate direct legal action?

It's amazing how many GC posters here are happy with libel.

Where are those quotes of my posts again? There are 2500+ of them stretching back 6+ years

Still waiting..

It's quite difficult to win a libel case, I imagine, where the alleged victim is anonymous.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2025 18:36

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 18:04

Um no - it would absolutely not be reasonable to call 999 to report someone for stickering.

Now any chance you can explain what criminal law was broken here that should involve the police, or is there more whataboutery to come?

That’s good, you might like to pop on over to trans Reddit to let them know.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2025 18:39

SidewaysOtter · 10/08/2025 12:37

I think JB got an apology too - IIRC it was Nottinghamshire County Council regarding an event at a library, and they backed down.

Yes to both.

suggestionsplease1 · 10/08/2025 18:41

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 14:57

So you still cannot answer "Then your excuse for fighting to destroy the most basic human rights of the female sex is.... ?" @suggestionsplease1 ?

How can I answer a question about something I am not doing?

And since when was highlighting a person's call to others to illegally discriminate against trans people on housing and employment matters "fighting to destroy the most basic human rights of the female sex" ?

Incredible how many posters on FWR have such a loose relationship with logic.

More generally, according to you, the top 10 countries in the world for women, as measured by Gender Inequality Index, have presumably completed their mission to destroy the most basic human rights of the female sex, as they have all implemented gender self-ID policies. ??

The countries doing best for trans people are also the ones doing best for women.

Let Women Speak in Glasgow this weekend 9th August 2 - 4pm
ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 19:01

Oh my sweet god.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2025 19:06

How is your libel case going @suggestionsplease1

murasaki · 10/08/2025 19:06

suggestionsplease1 · 10/08/2025 18:41

How can I answer a question about something I am not doing?

And since when was highlighting a person's call to others to illegally discriminate against trans people on housing and employment matters "fighting to destroy the most basic human rights of the female sex" ?

Incredible how many posters on FWR have such a loose relationship with logic.

More generally, according to you, the top 10 countries in the world for women, as measured by Gender Inequality Index, have presumably completed their mission to destroy the most basic human rights of the female sex, as they have all implemented gender self-ID policies. ??

The countries doing best for trans people are also the ones doing best for women.

And how many of those stats include transwomen, aka men. E.g. our board is 50% women. No, it's not. As soon as they've put in self id, the figures become meaningless.

PlanetJanette · 10/08/2025 19:22

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/08/2025 18:36

That’s good, you might like to pop on over to trans Reddit to let them know.

I don’t use Reddit. Will leave that particular obsession for others.

Now do you want to tell us why you think it’s reasonable to call 999 because a venue asked you to leave?

Scout2016 · 10/08/2025 19:27

If I remember right, didn't the venue hosting Filia in Glasgow 2 years back cancel the booking at short notice because they objected to the organisation, then reinstated after legal intervention- was it a letter from Joanna Cherry? Someone will recall better.

Graham Linehan had 2 Edinburgh venues cancel on him and wa considering legal action, does anyone know if he went ahead? I can't keep up with all the legal cases but I'm sure this path has already been trodden in Scotland.

Does it make a difference if you have paid in advance to rent the venue or not I wonder, so have a contract / deal, rather than the situation where you can have it free but must guarantee a minimum spend?

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 19:37

suggestionsplease1 · 10/08/2025 18:41

How can I answer a question about something I am not doing?

And since when was highlighting a person's call to others to illegally discriminate against trans people on housing and employment matters "fighting to destroy the most basic human rights of the female sex" ?

Incredible how many posters on FWR have such a loose relationship with logic.

More generally, according to you, the top 10 countries in the world for women, as measured by Gender Inequality Index, have presumably completed their mission to destroy the most basic human rights of the female sex, as they have all implemented gender self-ID policies. ??

The countries doing best for trans people are also the ones doing best for women.

There is no need to post your debunked 400 thousand times over 'graph' that has made you look like a laughing stock. Correlation doesn't equal causation. And....Malta.

You call us 'transphobes' for defending the hard won basic human rights of the female sex. Why?

suggestionsplease1 · 10/08/2025 20:34

ThatBlackCat · 10/08/2025 19:37

There is no need to post your debunked 400 thousand times over 'graph' that has made you look like a laughing stock. Correlation doesn't equal causation. And....Malta.

You call us 'transphobes' for defending the hard won basic human rights of the female sex. Why?

I mean it's boring for me to keep repeating myself but people seem to have memory problems as I have already addressed the points that they raise time and time again.

That is just one index - I have referenced three different international indices at different times- all the major indices looking at women's equality with men and general well-being on multiple measures also tend to have gender self ID in place. Of the three major international indices, the top 10 countries for women in two of these have eight countries with gender self-id processes and in the third all 10 countries have gender self ID processes.

And then comes the question about correlation and causation. But of course I'm not asserting causation, I'm simply pointing out that these countries are able to perform optimally for women whilst simultaneously also having gender self-id processes in place. The burden is on gender critical feminists to explain why, if gender self-ID is so harmful to women, these countries have not fallen down the international comparator tables for women's equality and well-being since introducing gender self ID processes. Because several countries have now had this in place for several years and they have retained their ranking at the top of the international tables for women. They are countries with strong track records in performance for women and why would you think that they are all suddenly now dramatically making bad decisions for women after such a strong track record? And you think all of them have simultaneously lost their minds over this point? It doesn't really add up does it? These are sensible, credible, stable countries, not prone to making whimsical decisions that adversely impact their populations. It is a common refrain on mumnsnet feminism and women's rights that 'how can you support women's rights if you cannot define what a women is?' but of course by their definition all these countries do not know what a woman is and they top the tables for women internationally.

And then there is the point that the potential inclusion of trans women data in women statistics would cause issues, but of course if anything it would bring down a country's score in these indices- because we know that trans women score poorly across the measures in these indices and , if that data is included in women's statistics would marginally bring down women's scores rather than elevating them.

There is also a point made that anyone could claim self ID and this is not just feature for trans people. Whilst theoretically true it verges on conspiracy theory to think that large swathes of these (fairly sensible country populations) have people who have M on their birth certificates are, for shits and giggles, suddenly putting down F on tax records, education certificates, and in hospital records etc etc. We know that the number of trans people is stabilizing roughly in the region of 1% or slightly lower, and it is a figure in this region which we can expect the data to be influenced by.

Transmen may also potentially feature in male data - at the moment we are roughly seeing equal numbers of trans women and trans men, especially in the countries with strong LGBT track records, where trans people feel more comfortable with a certain a trans identity, and which are also the ones that lead the international tables for women's rights. So with this in mind we would roughly expect the influence of trans women in women's data and trans men in men's data to be equal. Both would bring down the overall scores for the sex demographic they were recorded in, as we know that both trans women and trans men as demographics score poorly on wellbeing, educational attainment, employment figures, income, physical health and mental health and political empowerment. They would do this to a similar magnitude resulting in an overall negligible impact on the index.

So we have every reason, because of this, to believe that the trans data in these studies exerts a very marginal overall influence on the overall outcome and ranking on these international indices.

O, and I call someone who is advising landlords not to accommodate trans people and employers not to hire trans people transphobic, because that is pretty much textbook example of transphobia.

ArabellaScott · 10/08/2025 20:37

Iran is GREAT at trans rights. See also Brazil. Much feminist. So wims.

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